Some of Donald Trump's fiercest supporters are adherents to the QAnon conspiracy theory — the fabricated claim that top Democrats are secretly involved in a Satanic pedophile ring.
Having watched the recent Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelley dialogue, they make out that most of the fresh wave of MAGA ire is being directed at Pam Bondi. Who, because of her past "The client list is sitting on my desk." comment, is seen as either a liar, a tease, or as yet another Deep State enabler.
Michael Wolff, the Trump biographer, appears frequently these days on Daily Beast podcasts, and says that he's personally seen the final cache of Epstein trophy photos, seized from a safe in his NYC brownstone. And that roughly a dozen pix feature Trump, in three of which he's present with multiple topless girls "...of an uncertain age," engaged in questionable activity. If this true, then it's understandable why Trump would want to keep the files sealed. Even if said girls were not minors.
The MAGA faithful seem to mostly hold to Q-anon orthodoxy, which stipulates that it's *Dem* elites--not Republicans--who palled around with Epstein on Lolita Island, and that it was these same pedo elites who arranged the murder of the financier before his trial. Elon's recent bombshell tweet implicating Trump directly contradicted that notion, and has put the President firmly back in the crosshairs as an alleged pedo perp.
Donnie talked as he campaigned about bringing MF back to WH. Donnie Q’s and these groups at that point (2019-2020). Alex Acosta (former FL prosecutor who signed off on Epstein’s sweetheart deal) drew renewed outcry when Epstein was charged by SDNY. He stood by Acosta who resigned anyway. The FL ‘deal’ aside from protecting Epstein from federal charges also protected co-conspirators from prosecution. Shortly after Acosta resigned Epstein died, robbing victims, Qs and others of satisfaction. All very inconvenient going into the 2020 election. Covid really kicked in & ‘save the children’ conspiracies took off. They focused on the “co-conspirators”. Donnie would eliminate the evil cabal. (They were among the J6ers.)
Yes, Donnie made the promise and stoked the flames, but per usual he handed off the problem. Bondi did not play it smart. Charlie & Megyn probably didn’t discuss Donnie’s impending influence expiration date. Long after he leaves the limelight they’ll want their audiences to keep believing them. That goes for all of them who fed it & promised big news to their audiences, then got zilch to ‘report’. In the midst of the DOJ blowup, Bongino was quoted as saying Bondi had ruined his career. Donnie’s been a gold mine for many.
Would I revel in seeing Trump hoisted by his own petard? Sure. I think a lot of us would. That said, his downfall, which is no guarantee, mind you, wouldn't negate the danger other MAGA figureheads created in his wake represent, esp. with the seemingly rudderless Democrats as the opposition party. Trump's a big fish, but he's not the be-all-and-end-all.
Trump's downfall - for which the puppet masters have surely prepared - would be a great start, but I worry about the possible civil war within the WH and in the streets.
Epstein is dead. Do I care why? Not really. The only importance to his death is the sad reality that dead men don’t talk. If it is true that he was murdered to keep him silent, the FBI and the DOJ have the resources to investigate. But Trumps DOJ will never do that. Meanwhile, the real victims will never get the justice they need and deserve. Epstein trafficked and abused minor children and young woman. The men and women who assisted him in his pedophilia are not being prosecuted because this case is a hot potato of Grinches that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole. You know who really did commit suicide in the time it took me to write this? Another adult who was sexually abused as a minor.
Yeah. Lost in the noise. The zone is constantly flooded. I think Robert Frost said it best- Half the world has nothing to say and won’t stop saying it. Half the world has something to say and no way to say it. My country makes me weep right now.
Thank you Judd for highlighting another offshoot of the varieties of criminal and indecent behavior manifested through the Trump orbit. Those who enjoy the truth and pursue details should have no doubt that Trump would be involved in pedophilia--he has boasted about going into teenage beauty pageant while the girls are not fully dressed. We have learned that nothing stops Trump from doing what he wants to do in all areas of life and government.
"This is a reminder that the AG didn’t do anything on this without first either clearing it with the WH, or doing what the WH asked her to do. We see this in sports all the time, a GM makes a bizarre move then you realize, the GM works for the owner, but the GM’s job is part heat shield for the owner (see recent examples: Mavs and Nats)"
Is it time to start the race between Bondi and a head of lettuce?
Bill Barr was AG when Epstein died and was entangled with Epstein if what I've read is correct. Is there any reliable information on these connections? What about the missing footage from the prison video? Since Barr acted as trump's fixer on many occasions, I would love to understand more about his involvement.
I believe Bill Barr's father hired Epstein to be a teacher at the exclusive NYC private school where he was the Principal. Why is he hiring someone without a teaching degree? I think that's where it starts...
Here's some fun news: Lex Wexner, the money behind Epstein, has a 28-year-old son, Harry, who works at a private high school out west. As a former public high school teacher in NYC, I can tell you we are vetted, fingerprinted and watched (by others in our buildings) to keep the pedos at bay. Private schools, not so much.
There is a weirdness about the Epstein crimes, Bill Barr’s father, Donald Barr, and Donald Barr hiring him. Donald Barr wrote a fiction tale, “Space Relations”.
Suffice to say it is set in the futuristic with bug people and humans; slaves and sex slaves including underage humans. You can find a description at Wikipedia. Here’s an excerpt. —The novel was described in a Vice article as "both comically amoral and insufferably pretentious. To be fair, these traits were common in 1970s sci-fi." Becky Ferreira has described the novel as "highly unsettling", due to its depiction of rape of enslaved people, particularly teenage girls, and other coercive sex acts…—
He never graduated from college, I understand he made his money from investments but I'll never understand why he was hired to work in finance to begin with. Just because he was good at math in high school? Same with the job at Dalton before that, he had no qualifications. Are there not enough of the victims left to tell us who they interacted with? Of course there are, the problem is that we don't listen to them. It's shameful how the victims were mostly punished for speaking up and no one would take their word for what they experienced.
Those 14, 15, 16-year-old girls were labeled prostitutes in the Florida debacle when Epstein was charged and convicted of trading in prostitutes (not the legal term) and spent a year in "prison."
Even though we've supposedly changed some of our laws to protect victims of sex trafficking this type of character assassination is still exactly what happens to most victims, even if they (rightfully) aren't charged with prostitution. And that's for "typical " cases, with average "clients" not world leaders and billionaires. One of the only truly bipartisan activities in the US. Hard to feel like my rights are equal when I know this is the case. And didn't the investigation start because of a girl from a "good family" accidentally get invited to earn money giving a "massage "? She told her parents and the police had to listen to them, when they didn't feel it mattered for the "slutty girls ".
It kills me that they would dare to say that Trump is running a "perfect administration." If what he's doing now seems "perfect" to these fools, I fear to imagine what excuse they'll use when our economy collapses. I can assure you of one thing, though: they will try to blame Biden and the Democratic party
I believe Trump is the only one who used the word perfect to describe his administration. Maybe the blond mouthpiece but that's just shit running downhill, ain't it?
I honestly love this for them. They promoted conspiracy theories on their podcasts to make money, never dreaming they'd actually be in the position to prove it. The base has been waiting a long time, and now they are told to forget it? Not likely.
Why not likely? They act like sheep, sound like sheep, sheep like sheep, and, I imagine, will move on as told by the sheepmaster, Drump. I bet minds are changing already, or readjusting to the Dear Leader's screeds.
No, they are pushing back. You must not be on Twitter, where even Rosanne Barr is telling Trump he’s wrong . There was just the Turning Point conference as well, and there were a lot of angry people there too. It will be interesting to see how Fox spins it: will they back Trump or their viewers?
Thank you, Pam B., and you are right, I am not on Twitter. But I feel I get the gist without the shit. I refer to the herd, not the sheepmasters like bigmouth Roseann or ass-cancer Charlie Kirk.
You’ll have to take my word for it, then. The herd is mad. They are in the audience at Turning Point and on Twitter complaining about it. They will probably get over it as soon as they can be distracted, but Trump knows they aren’t pleased.
Trump used the epstein QAnon conspiracy theory while it was useful to him. Now that it is hard to blame the "cover up " on democrats control of government, he is learning that it is hard to throw a QAnon conspiracy theory under the bus. He will need to come up with a new conspiracy theory to replace the epstein files. The conspiracy nuts are making too much money to give up the epstein QAnon conspiracy without a replacement conspiracy.
This coverup is so inept as to be laughable if it weren't so tragic. All it does is confirm that there is so much of Trump in the files that they cannot physically edit him out and release all the dirt on everyone else, if they could have they would have by now. This would bring down any normal politician, but Trump will survive, he always does because the corporate media will eventually be tired of covering the cover up and move on.
Not sure the media is to be blamed for this debacle, whether they stay or move on. Let's take them out of the circular firing squad of finger pointers.
Things I don’t understand about QANON: there are more pictures of Trump&Epstein than any of the other accused. Always in social situations. While there may be Democrats implicated, the most circumstantial evidence is about Donald Trump.
Trump was president&Wm Barr was AG when Epstein died. Those two had the most motives&means for just getting rid of Epstein. They thought they could just blame the Clintons, Trumpers will believe anything. No one has more contempt for Trumpers than Trump.
Elon Musk went to extraordinary lengths to get information on all of us Americans, even ppl like me. Per my kids I’m the most boring person alive, why would we think Elon didn’t accrue every scrap of information on Donald.
Also baffling, do QANON adherents look at Donald Trump and see a young svelte Superman who represents Truth, Justice&the American way? That would truly be insanity.
That they see him as someone who is brave and tough and manly and godly and virile and a cool gent and the greatest dancer like no one's ever seen and on-their-side is insane enough ain't it?
I find it interesting that Zev Shalev is saying that Epstein was an Israeli asset and was seducing Democrats to get intel on them that could be used to control them politically as far as Israel is concerned. Lev Parnas is saying this as well. Why is no one else discussing that. It becomes a different story.
I also find it interesting that the documents or list or files, or whatever was claimed to exist have not been leaked. Does this mean that Trump has successfully gotten rid of everyone in the intelligence community who could leak or whistle blow? Does this mean that as Jeff Stein of Spy Talk is pointing out that a certain percentage can be expected to sell secrets and that by firing so many people there are more out there who may have a grudge. Will some of these people by selling these documents to foreign leaders so they too can manipulate these politicians? Or, is everyone just on board with the agenda?
We always knew that eventually the lies Trump tells accusing other people of things he himself does would come around to bite in the ass. I admit I never thought it would be the Epstein files.
This issue would be stupid if it were perpetuated by a bunch of 6th graders. The fact that these people are running our government is humiliating.
Jackals have no problem eating their own.
Having watched the recent Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelley dialogue, they make out that most of the fresh wave of MAGA ire is being directed at Pam Bondi. Who, because of her past "The client list is sitting on my desk." comment, is seen as either a liar, a tease, or as yet another Deep State enabler.
Michael Wolff, the Trump biographer, appears frequently these days on Daily Beast podcasts, and says that he's personally seen the final cache of Epstein trophy photos, seized from a safe in his NYC brownstone. And that roughly a dozen pix feature Trump, in three of which he's present with multiple topless girls "...of an uncertain age," engaged in questionable activity. If this true, then it's understandable why Trump would want to keep the files sealed. Even if said girls were not minors.
The MAGA faithful seem to mostly hold to Q-anon orthodoxy, which stipulates that it's *Dem* elites--not Republicans--who palled around with Epstein on Lolita Island, and that it was these same pedo elites who arranged the murder of the financier before his trial. Elon's recent bombshell tweet implicating Trump directly contradicted that notion, and has put the President firmly back in the crosshairs as an alleged pedo perp.
It’s worth noting that Epstein’s defense attorneys in 2007-8ish were Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr. The federal prosecutor was Alex Acosta.
Things previously released have DJT in them. Epstein’s address book and the flight log from evidence in the Maxwell trial. Michael Wolff also said he has about 100 hours of audio from his interviews with Epstein in which he is describing their friendship. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU08/20250227/117951/HHRG-119-JU08-20250227-SD006-U6.pdf. Donnie has in his own words described walking in on pageant participants to ‘inspect.’ https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/tribune/article_popover.aspx?guid=1ef52d45-710a-4716-b166-2b3650f615eb
Michael Flynn would wear & post the ‘where we go one we go all’ slogan. He had the ReAwaken America tour, a magnet for the christian nationalists & unhinged. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-flynn-reawaken-america-tour/
Donnie talked as he campaigned about bringing MF back to WH. Donnie Q’s and these groups at that point (2019-2020). Alex Acosta (former FL prosecutor who signed off on Epstein’s sweetheart deal) drew renewed outcry when Epstein was charged by SDNY. He stood by Acosta who resigned anyway. The FL ‘deal’ aside from protecting Epstein from federal charges also protected co-conspirators from prosecution. Shortly after Acosta resigned Epstein died, robbing victims, Qs and others of satisfaction. All very inconvenient going into the 2020 election. Covid really kicked in & ‘save the children’ conspiracies took off. They focused on the “co-conspirators”. Donnie would eliminate the evil cabal. (They were among the J6ers.)
Yes, Donnie made the promise and stoked the flames, but per usual he handed off the problem. Bondi did not play it smart. Charlie & Megyn probably didn’t discuss Donnie’s impending influence expiration date. Long after he leaves the limelight they’ll want their audiences to keep believing them. That goes for all of them who fed it & promised big news to their audiences, then got zilch to ‘report’. In the midst of the DOJ blowup, Bongino was quoted as saying Bondi had ruined his career. Donnie’s been a gold mine for many.
Would I revel in seeing Trump hoisted by his own petard? Sure. I think a lot of us would. That said, his downfall, which is no guarantee, mind you, wouldn't negate the danger other MAGA figureheads created in his wake represent, esp. with the seemingly rudderless Democrats as the opposition party. Trump's a big fish, but he's not the be-all-and-end-all.
Trump's downfall - for which the puppet masters have surely prepared - would be a great start, but I worry about the possible civil war within the WH and in the streets.
There will be a lot more to worry about if this regime continues on its present course.
Epstein is dead. Do I care why? Not really. The only importance to his death is the sad reality that dead men don’t talk. If it is true that he was murdered to keep him silent, the FBI and the DOJ have the resources to investigate. But Trumps DOJ will never do that. Meanwhile, the real victims will never get the justice they need and deserve. Epstein trafficked and abused minor children and young woman. The men and women who assisted him in his pedophilia are not being prosecuted because this case is a hot potato of Grinches that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole. You know who really did commit suicide in the time it took me to write this? Another adult who was sexually abused as a minor.
"You know who really did commit suicide in the time it took me to write this? Another adult who was sexually abused as a minor."
This salient detail gets lost in the noise.
Yeah. Lost in the noise. The zone is constantly flooded. I think Robert Frost said it best- Half the world has nothing to say and won’t stop saying it. Half the world has something to say and no way to say it. My country makes me weep right now.
Agreed. I was a US Marine and damn, I never thought I'd see an American president act this way.
Folks don't understand the groundswell that is building. Just because the effects are not immediate... doesn't mean they won't be harsh.
Well, strap in cause as unwilling participants, we are certainly in the FO stage of the FAFO game these morons are playing.
FAFO?
Uh, a variation on “fool” around and find out.
Gotcha. Thank you.
Thank you Judd for highlighting another offshoot of the varieties of criminal and indecent behavior manifested through the Trump orbit. Those who enjoy the truth and pursue details should have no doubt that Trump would be involved in pedophilia--he has boasted about going into teenage beauty pageant while the girls are not fully dressed. We have learned that nothing stops Trump from doing what he wants to do in all areas of life and government.
Chuck Todd said on X
"This is a reminder that the AG didn’t do anything on this without first either clearing it with the WH, or doing what the WH asked her to do. We see this in sports all the time, a GM makes a bizarre move then you realize, the GM works for the owner, but the GM’s job is part heat shield for the owner (see recent examples: Mavs and Nats)"
Is it time to start the race between Bondi and a head of lettuce?
My money is on the lettuce!
Bill Barr was AG when Epstein died and was entangled with Epstein if what I've read is correct. Is there any reliable information on these connections? What about the missing footage from the prison video? Since Barr acted as trump's fixer on many occasions, I would love to understand more about his involvement.
I believe Bill Barr's father hired Epstein to be a teacher at the exclusive NYC private school where he was the Principal. Why is he hiring someone without a teaching degree? I think that's where it starts...
Here's some fun news: Lex Wexner, the money behind Epstein, has a 28-year-old son, Harry, who works at a private high school out west. As a former public high school teacher in NYC, I can tell you we are vetted, fingerprinted and watched (by others in our buildings) to keep the pedos at bay. Private schools, not so much.
There is a weirdness about the Epstein crimes, Bill Barr’s father, Donald Barr, and Donald Barr hiring him. Donald Barr wrote a fiction tale, “Space Relations”.
Suffice to say it is set in the futuristic with bug people and humans; slaves and sex slaves including underage humans. You can find a description at Wikipedia. Here’s an excerpt. —The novel was described in a Vice article as "both comically amoral and insufferably pretentious. To be fair, these traits were common in 1970s sci-fi." Becky Ferreira has described the novel as "highly unsettling", due to its depiction of rape of enslaved people, particularly teenage girls, and other coercive sex acts…—
The book is on Internet Archive https://ia600903.us.archive.org/9/items/donaldbarrspacerelations/Donald%20Barr%20-%20Space%20Relations.pdf
Exactly. At a school. Where there are children. I'm sure his predatory behavior was either known or later discovered.
Money. Epstein was VERY rich. Filthy lucre creates a veil against truth.
He never graduated from college, I understand he made his money from investments but I'll never understand why he was hired to work in finance to begin with. Just because he was good at math in high school? Same with the job at Dalton before that, he had no qualifications. Are there not enough of the victims left to tell us who they interacted with? Of course there are, the problem is that we don't listen to them. It's shameful how the victims were mostly punished for speaking up and no one would take their word for what they experienced.
Those 14, 15, 16-year-old girls were labeled prostitutes in the Florida debacle when Epstein was charged and convicted of trading in prostitutes (not the legal term) and spent a year in "prison."
Even though we've supposedly changed some of our laws to protect victims of sex trafficking this type of character assassination is still exactly what happens to most victims, even if they (rightfully) aren't charged with prostitution. And that's for "typical " cases, with average "clients" not world leaders and billionaires. One of the only truly bipartisan activities in the US. Hard to feel like my rights are equal when I know this is the case. And didn't the investigation start because of a girl from a "good family" accidentally get invited to earn money giving a "massage "? She told her parents and the police had to listen to them, when they didn't feel it mattered for the "slutty girls ".
I love your choice of words! Very quotable second sentence!
Got to keep the Epstein file on the forefront until MAGA eats its own over it…don’t let it be a 24 hr news cycle thing..
It kills me that they would dare to say that Trump is running a "perfect administration." If what he's doing now seems "perfect" to these fools, I fear to imagine what excuse they'll use when our economy collapses. I can assure you of one thing, though: they will try to blame Biden and the Democratic party
Of course they'll blame Biden. Everything that's gone wrong since creation is Biden's fault.
It's Biden's fault the Epstein files exist; worse yet, it's Biden's fault that Biden himself isn't mentioned in the Epstein files.
I believe Trump is the only one who used the word perfect to describe his administration. Maybe the blond mouthpiece but that's just shit running downhill, ain't it?
I honestly love this for them. They promoted conspiracy theories on their podcasts to make money, never dreaming they'd actually be in the position to prove it. The base has been waiting a long time, and now they are told to forget it? Not likely.
Why not likely? They act like sheep, sound like sheep, sheep like sheep, and, I imagine, will move on as told by the sheepmaster, Drump. I bet minds are changing already, or readjusting to the Dear Leader's screeds.
No, they are pushing back. You must not be on Twitter, where even Rosanne Barr is telling Trump he’s wrong . There was just the Turning Point conference as well, and there were a lot of angry people there too. It will be interesting to see how Fox spins it: will they back Trump or their viewers?
Thank you, Pam B., and you are right, I am not on Twitter. But I feel I get the gist without the shit. I refer to the herd, not the sheepmasters like bigmouth Roseann or ass-cancer Charlie Kirk.
You’ll have to take my word for it, then. The herd is mad. They are in the audience at Turning Point and on Twitter complaining about it. They will probably get over it as soon as they can be distracted, but Trump knows they aren’t pleased.
Trump used the epstein QAnon conspiracy theory while it was useful to him. Now that it is hard to blame the "cover up " on democrats control of government, he is learning that it is hard to throw a QAnon conspiracy theory under the bus. He will need to come up with a new conspiracy theory to replace the epstein files. The conspiracy nuts are making too much money to give up the epstein QAnon conspiracy without a replacement conspiracy.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."
Brilliant words from long ago! Thanks for bringing them out!
This coverup is so inept as to be laughable if it weren't so tragic. All it does is confirm that there is so much of Trump in the files that they cannot physically edit him out and release all the dirt on everyone else, if they could have they would have by now. This would bring down any normal politician, but Trump will survive, he always does because the corporate media will eventually be tired of covering the cover up and move on.
Not sure the media is to be blamed for this debacle, whether they stay or move on. Let's take them out of the circular firing squad of finger pointers.
Things I don’t understand about QANON: there are more pictures of Trump&Epstein than any of the other accused. Always in social situations. While there may be Democrats implicated, the most circumstantial evidence is about Donald Trump.
Trump was president&Wm Barr was AG when Epstein died. Those two had the most motives&means for just getting rid of Epstein. They thought they could just blame the Clintons, Trumpers will believe anything. No one has more contempt for Trumpers than Trump.
Elon Musk went to extraordinary lengths to get information on all of us Americans, even ppl like me. Per my kids I’m the most boring person alive, why would we think Elon didn’t accrue every scrap of information on Donald.
Also baffling, do QANON adherents look at Donald Trump and see a young svelte Superman who represents Truth, Justice&the American way? That would truly be insanity.
That they see him as someone who is brave and tough and manly and godly and virile and a cool gent and the greatest dancer like no one's ever seen and on-their-side is insane enough ain't it?
The chickens have come home and all that …
I find it interesting that Zev Shalev is saying that Epstein was an Israeli asset and was seducing Democrats to get intel on them that could be used to control them politically as far as Israel is concerned. Lev Parnas is saying this as well. Why is no one else discussing that. It becomes a different story.
https://www.narativ.org/p/the-epstein-cover-up-brand-new-details?r=f0qfn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
I also find it interesting that the documents or list or files, or whatever was claimed to exist have not been leaked. Does this mean that Trump has successfully gotten rid of everyone in the intelligence community who could leak or whistle blow? Does this mean that as Jeff Stein of Spy Talk is pointing out that a certain percentage can be expected to sell secrets and that by firing so many people there are more out there who may have a grudge. Will some of these people by selling these documents to foreign leaders so they too can manipulate these politicians? Or, is everyone just on board with the agenda?
We always knew that eventually the lies Trump tells accusing other people of things he himself does would come around to bite in the ass. I admit I never thought it would be the Epstein files.