On October 29, 2018, a Boeing 737 MAX operated by Lion Air crashed into the Java Sea about 13 minutes after taking off from an airport in Jakarta, Indonesia.
Thank you Judd for being able to find and then share all of these facts about Boeing's "business" operations. I have always intuitively known that Boeing was at grievous fault. I have warned my daughter who flies frequently to oversee operations for her company in another state to avoid flying in a Boeing 737. Thankfully, she has been safe the past few years.
How can this be that "Boeing is not struggling with demand but with the ability to safely produce planes!"? The answer: Trump's disregard for human life where profit is involved.
"The answer: Trump's disregard for human life where profit is involved."
Indeed; this is obvious to anyone paying attention to Trump's actions and history... sadly, 77 million Americans were either ignorant of, or as psychologically damaged as, the man they voted for.
Ms. Desens, the largest political party in this country is that group of eligible voters who do not vote. This tells us a great deal about the failings of BOTH political parties, don't you think?
The purpose of the fines levied--and now apparently forgiven--against Boeing were not only for justice, but to give Boeing's Wall Street managerial leadership a sharp crack on the head to--hopefully--get them to clean up their collective act, and get out of the way to let Boeing's engineers safely design and build their planes.
The Wall Street suits that currently run Boeing are always looking for new ways to cut corners and thus juice profits. To reward their criminal malfeasance with not only no fines--but billions in fresh business--will only encourage more criminality.
Amazingly despicable...No nne should fly on any Boeing aircraft until the company is reorganized and and those guilty of risk taking are again put up for prosecution...in a perfect world. We have the technology and the know how but refuse to use it.
Henry, the sole purpose of capitalism is to increase the profits of corporate owners. This is according to Nobel laureate Milton Friedman. Such is life in a capitalist economy.
So are you suggesting that with embracing capitalism, there is NO accountability within a capitalist economy? How “trumpian” of you. Suggests that capitalism leads to a very sociopathic society, with no conscience or consequences. Perhaps with America’s pursuit of capitalism, we’ve gone a bridge too far? Some decisions within our judicial system recently, might suggest that as well, but you appear rather blasé about it?
Boeing is a huge defense contractor and a pillar of the economy. They wouldn't be allowed to "crash" in any sense of the word. Their upper management and any employee personally involved with MCAS who knew should be criminally charged, though.
Judd, Thank you for reporting the criminal and moral lacking in these soulless beings. There seems to be two sets of laws one for the rich and one for everyone else. Judd, keep letting the light in these cracks will keep getting larger every time you write.
The U.S. Government has always balanced on the fine line of enabling a productive state that protects the citizens from the ruling elite or enable the class to plunder the rest of the citizens. The Trump administration supports and encourages predatory governance focused on oppression of the rule of law which allows wealth and power to steal the lives and wealth of the citizens.
Mr. Wilson, I appreciate what you claim when you say "...always balanced on a fine line..." However, let us not forget this country displayed the most cruel, massive form of chattel slavery in history. How fine is that line? How well balanced have we been?
To be honest, I don’t really need to hear one more story about criminal republican cabal & it’s convicted orange felon! Get that son of bitch out of our White House! The longer we wait the longer it will take to start undoing some of the atrocious damage these republican monsters are inflicting. The entire REPUBLICAN party must be held responsible! But the psychopath & 2025 authors must serve time in prison.
If memory serves, I recall a meeting in the Oval Office between chump and the Boeing head honcho in 2017. I thought at the time that it was a disaster in the making. Boeing sold their reputation and put the lives of untold passengers at risk. I’m old and will never fly again. But I fear for anyone who does. Those dead passengers will be joined by many more, and the perps will waltz away with nary a scratch.
JDinTX-So far we have been forced to watch one corrupted criminal act after another. We need to be more like MAGAts in protecting our rights from these Fascists. It seems the military doesn’t take they pledge to protect us from the enemy within very seriously…just a phrase.
You are so right, I have watched this with such trepidation. Bill Moyers warned as Rupert and repubs took over more communication outlets than had previously been allowed. They had precious little push back. The brazenness increased and the opposition faded. What now…. I hate to mull the possibilities
SeekingReason, according to President Eisenhower, a former general, the military is itself potentially part of the "enemy within." Remember his "Military-Industrial Complex" warning?
I should add the experience of other countries wherein the military "intervened" to "protect" the citizens, usually at the connivance of the American CIA:
Gerald, So true. The deadly damage done by our CIA is widespread. Removal of democratically elected leaders in these countries is disgraceful but not taught or advertised much. I want to hope enough of our military won’t comply with unconstitutional orders, but it can’t be counted on either. Very frightening. I sometimes give a little history lesson to people who scream about a number of Venezuelans & Guatemalan immigrants in my area of Chicago. They should get automatic refugee status, not get yelled at.
The Boeing scandal and the decimation of the ranks of air traffic controllers have led me to refuse to travel anywhere by air. That might not be possible for everyone, of course, but I have made that resolve as a matter of principle. Any corporation that causes mass death as Boeing did should have its corporate charter revoked. If people die because of corporate crimes, then so should corporations.
Mr. Lockard, you are absolutely correct. You might want to include those corporate-owned newspapers and radio and TV networks, and Hollywood production companies.
That is the way of the world. People like George Floyd get harassed daily and locked up routinely for petty infractions for being a big black man who frightens the entitled white boys. Entitled white men like Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg get away with murder and lots of money. This is the world the trump regime is fighting to preserve.
Ms. Daiss, unfortunately too many White citizens turn a blind eye or agree with the biased, unfair treatment of Black citizens. This is why there are so any George Floyds. Having said that, I am old enough to see that it is not quite as bad in my children's generation as it was when I was a young social caseworker in 1960s Detroit. Our country is getting more polarized, it is true; however...."The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." How many can be converted? How many Martin Luther Kings must we produce?
Just a guess on my part, but Boeing was still in the three year probationary period of their agreement with the Department of Justice ruling to avoid criminal prosecution.
Thank you Judd for being able to find and then share all of these facts about Boeing's "business" operations. I have always intuitively known that Boeing was at grievous fault. I have warned my daughter who flies frequently to oversee operations for her company in another state to avoid flying in a Boeing 737. Thankfully, she has been safe the past few years.
How can this be that "Boeing is not struggling with demand but with the ability to safely produce planes!"? The answer: Trump's disregard for human life where profit is involved.
"The answer: Trump's disregard for human life where profit is involved."
Indeed; this is obvious to anyone paying attention to Trump's actions and history... sadly, 77 million Americans were either ignorant of, or as psychologically damaged as, the man they voted for.
Or, both.
Or they stayed home and didn't vote at all.
Or they voted for a third-party candidate to "send a message."
Ms. Desens, the largest political party in this country is that group of eligible voters who do not vote. This tells us a great deal about the failings of BOTH political parties, don't you think?
But the Republicans went out and grabbed some of those voters, while the Democrats did not make the effort.
The purpose of the fines levied--and now apparently forgiven--against Boeing were not only for justice, but to give Boeing's Wall Street managerial leadership a sharp crack on the head to--hopefully--get them to clean up their collective act, and get out of the way to let Boeing's engineers safely design and build their planes.
The Wall Street suits that currently run Boeing are always looking for new ways to cut corners and thus juice profits. To reward their criminal malfeasance with not only no fines--but billions in fresh business--will only encourage more criminality.
Amazingly despicable...No nne should fly on any Boeing aircraft until the company is reorganized and and those guilty of risk taking are again put up for prosecution...in a perfect world. We have the technology and the know how but refuse to use it.
Henry, the sole purpose of capitalism is to increase the profits of corporate owners. This is according to Nobel laureate Milton Friedman. Such is life in a capitalist economy.
So are you suggesting that with embracing capitalism, there is NO accountability within a capitalist economy? How “trumpian” of you. Suggests that capitalism leads to a very sociopathic society, with no conscience or consequences. Perhaps with America’s pursuit of capitalism, we’ve gone a bridge too far? Some decisions within our judicial system recently, might suggest that as well, but you appear rather blasé about it?
So, Boeing can't consistently keep its planes in the sky, yet Trump & Co. will keep the company from crashing. Outstanding stuff.
Boeing is a huge defense contractor and a pillar of the economy. They wouldn't be allowed to "crash" in any sense of the word. Their upper management and any employee personally involved with MCAS who knew should be criminally charged, though.
In 47world, justice is simply---"Don't worry. I know a guy".
Judd, Thank you for reporting the criminal and moral lacking in these soulless beings. There seems to be two sets of laws one for the rich and one for everyone else. Judd, keep letting the light in these cracks will keep getting larger every time you write.
The U.S. Government has always balanced on the fine line of enabling a productive state that protects the citizens from the ruling elite or enable the class to plunder the rest of the citizens. The Trump administration supports and encourages predatory governance focused on oppression of the rule of law which allows wealth and power to steal the lives and wealth of the citizens.
Mr. Wilson, I appreciate what you claim when you say "...always balanced on a fine line..." However, let us not forget this country displayed the most cruel, massive form of chattel slavery in history. How fine is that line? How well balanced have we been?
To be honest, I don’t really need to hear one more story about criminal republican cabal & it’s convicted orange felon! Get that son of bitch out of our White House! The longer we wait the longer it will take to start undoing some of the atrocious damage these republican monsters are inflicting. The entire REPUBLICAN party must be held responsible! But the psychopath & 2025 authors must serve time in prison.
Agreed.
We can only get him out if Democrats overwhelmingly are elected to the House and Senate. The current Republicans in Congress are complicit.
it's always trump behind the wheel of the worst corruption. Despicable excuse for a human.
If memory serves, I recall a meeting in the Oval Office between chump and the Boeing head honcho in 2017. I thought at the time that it was a disaster in the making. Boeing sold their reputation and put the lives of untold passengers at risk. I’m old and will never fly again. But I fear for anyone who does. Those dead passengers will be joined by many more, and the perps will waltz away with nary a scratch.
JDinTX-So far we have been forced to watch one corrupted criminal act after another. We need to be more like MAGAts in protecting our rights from these Fascists. It seems the military doesn’t take they pledge to protect us from the enemy within very seriously…just a phrase.
You are so right, I have watched this with such trepidation. Bill Moyers warned as Rupert and repubs took over more communication outlets than had previously been allowed. They had precious little push back. The brazenness increased and the opposition faded. What now…. I hate to mull the possibilities
SeekingReason, according to President Eisenhower, a former general, the military is itself potentially part of the "enemy within." Remember his "Military-Industrial Complex" warning?
I should add the experience of other countries wherein the military "intervened" to "protect" the citizens, usually at the connivance of the American CIA:
Guatemala....1954
Cuba....1953, 1959, 1961
Haiti....1991, 1994
Dominican republic....1961, 1965
Venezuela....2002, 2019
Brazil....1964
Paraguay....1954, 1989
Uruguay....1973
Argentina.... 1976
Chile....1964, 1973
Bolivia....1971, 2019
Peru....1963, 1990
Costa Rica....1948
El Salvador....1979
Nicaragua....1979, 1981
Honduras.... 1988, 2009
Such "interventions" end up badly for citizens.
Gerald, So true. The deadly damage done by our CIA is widespread. Removal of democratically elected leaders in these countries is disgraceful but not taught or advertised much. I want to hope enough of our military won’t comply with unconstitutional orders, but it can’t be counted on either. Very frightening. I sometimes give a little history lesson to people who scream about a number of Venezuelans & Guatemalan immigrants in my area of Chicago. They should get automatic refugee status, not get yelled at.
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The Boeing scandal and the decimation of the ranks of air traffic controllers have led me to refuse to travel anywhere by air. That might not be possible for everyone, of course, but I have made that resolve as a matter of principle. Any corporation that causes mass death as Boeing did should have its corporate charter revoked. If people die because of corporate crimes, then so should corporations.
Mr. Lockard, you are absolutely correct. You might want to include those corporate-owned newspapers and radio and TV networks, and Hollywood production companies.
I can pretty much guarantee a lot more than just $1 million for the inauguration went in Trump’s direction.
Boeing is emblematic of the rot within
That is the way of the world. People like George Floyd get harassed daily and locked up routinely for petty infractions for being a big black man who frightens the entitled white boys. Entitled white men like Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg get away with murder and lots of money. This is the world the trump regime is fighting to preserve.
Ms. Daiss, unfortunately too many White citizens turn a blind eye or agree with the biased, unfair treatment of Black citizens. This is why there are so any George Floyds. Having said that, I am old enough to see that it is not quite as bad in my children's generation as it was when I was a young social caseworker in 1960s Detroit. Our country is getting more polarized, it is true; however...."The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." How many can be converted? How many Martin Luther Kings must we produce?
This kind of corruption, a Trump specialty, can cost lives.
Great job of putting this information in order. I don't understand how a judge has to approve the deal if the DOJ has already made it.
Anyone?
Just a guess on my part, but Boeing was still in the three year probationary period of their agreement with the Department of Justice ruling to avoid criminal prosecution.
Thanks. I read it again. This is part of a status agreement filed with the court.