He's a pathological liar, and makes up whatever pops into his head. Regarding anything Epstein, he squirms like a bug on a stick, because he was BFF's with America's most prolific serial pedophile for 10-15 years, and attended plenty of Jeffrey's pedo parties in NYC & FL. Even if he preferred his gals a bit older, he's savvy enough to know that his long friendship with you-know-who is political kryptonite, and will destroy him once MAGA finally gets how close these guys were.
Yeah, "a bit older," in his case, preferring them 15-17, instead of 12-14.
JFC, he publicly sexualized Ivanka, both in interviews in which they both appeared, and in photos of them together. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out he'd molested both of his own daughters.
There are verified (not AI-generated) photos showing Epstein in proximity to an adolescent Ivanka, too. He was friends with Trump for much of Ivanka's childhood and early adolescence. Begs the question for me if Epstein ever groomed her, since her own father so readily sexualized her.
Separately, Trump himself recently used the words (regarding Epstein) that he "stole" and "poached" an underage Virginia Roberts Giuffre who was, at the time, working at Mar-a-Lago. He said Epstein "poached," and "stole" girls ostensibly working at the time in the spa as masseuses at Mar-a-Lago. As if a 16-year-old girl can be a legitimate massage therapist ANYWHERE, much less someplace like Mar-a-Lago. Florida state law requires they be at least 18 and have 500 hours of training. There is no plausible way that Virginia Giuffre or any other adolescent girl even had falsified documentation showing she (or any of the others) was 18+ or possessed the requisite proof of training.
She and the other underage girls were there for one reason and one reason only.
As a side-note, for context: Virginia Giuffre was less than two years younger than Ivanka.
Trump was almost certainly pimping out those girls at Mar-a-Lago. You start putting together the timelines and bits of disparate information--especially the bits Trump drops himself when he's rattled about Epstein and gets to bloviating--and it really sets up a lot of truly disturbing questions.
Mar-a-Lago, like the Bath and Tennis Club just across the street, and other elite clubs in Palm Beach, tend to employ at least some pretty teen girls, and even a few boys. As eye candy, mostly. FYI, Trump founded Mar-a-Lago because he was blackballed from the B & T, the Everglades, and the Sailfish Club, which at the time were considered the pre-eminent WASP clubs on the island.
Virginia Guiffre recounted that Ghislaine saw her reading a book on massage (on her break?), and then made the pitch. Which, btw, happened a full six (6!) years *before* Trump's break with Epstein [edited] It seems very unlikely that the girl was a CMT (or its FL equivalent) at Trump's club.
One of the women who for a while pursued charges against Trump, claimed she'd been lured as a fourteen-year-old to one of Epstein's NYC "model audition" parties. She said that Trump led her upstairs and raped her, telling her afterwards to keep her mouth shut, or else.
The flight logs don’t show DJT traveling to or from St James on Epstein’s planes. In 2007 when Epstein’s attorney was working out a plea deal with the federal prosecutor & the state prosecutor was working over the victims — Epstein began expanding his home and criminal enterprise in St James. He bought a 2nd St. James Island. Donnie booted him out of Mar a Lago in 2007.
Most of the abuse alleged in the records occurred in Palm Beach area. They both lived in Palm Beach a couple miles from one another. Fl passed a specific law to release the 2006 Epstein Florida Grand Jury.
When I say “working over the victim” I mean prosecutors brow beating victims. I imagine they did it when interviewing them as it turned into a Epstein defense team instead of prosecution. The records Grand Jury transcripts shows it happened did in front of the Grand Jury.
— “You’re aware that you committed a crime?” To the girl, who was 14 when she met Epstein. — Child prostitution was still illegal for the children involved in FL. When did you turn 15? Oh, you were almost 15. It went on and on about piercings; underwear; basically doing the work of defense attorneys. Grand Jurors did not seem to have any instructions or boundaries. They were allowed to asked ridiculous questions to shame & frighten. (Did you know you could have been “hacked up”?)
Just my opinion, but I think Epstein figured he was not going to be indicted at all. The state didn’t want to prosecute; the Palm Beach police chief said Epstein attorneys were getting details about their investigation. He went to the FBI and nothing happened. It’s no wonder this case launched wild conspiracy theories.
Barry Krischer was the POS Palm Beach prosecutor who gave Epstein the ultimate sweetheart deal: a single count of soliciting a seventeen-year-old underage prostitute. This despite testimony from DOZENS of teen girls collected by the Palm Beach PD.
Krischer would apparently intimidate these girls as they were called before the grand jury, repeatedly reminding them that they were self-incriminating themselves as prostitutes by their testimony, and wouldn't they prefer to just pretend their abuse by Epstein never even happened?
Coupled with intense harassment by the high-profile GOP law firm hired by Epstein, that allegedly included death threats; but definitely included scary looking men in unmarked police cruisers following these girls to/from school, and parking at nights near their homes. Even the Palm Beach PD detectives working the case were treated to this constant harassment, even with their *own* kids (who had nothing to do with Epstein) being similarly shadowed.
Bad experiences mean among many independent advocates for trafficking victims (most of whom were trafficked themselves) & many sexual assault victim advocates — local police are not to be trusted. (For good reasons) Ironic & terrible that this case proved to be the exact opposite because when the problem is local they put their trust in the FBI. Now the remaining FL survivors see Maxwell going to the most favorable prison environment. Morons promoting her as a ‘scapegoat’ and ‘victim’. Pukeable.
I know in at least some states grand jurors can ask witnesses questions. These followed the prosecutor’s lead & piled on. Terrible. Certainly not relevant to the facts of the case.
I had not seen anything about the harassment of witnesses from law enforcement outside of the way they were interviewed. Unmarked cars of course. 🙃 That would explain why there were only 2 girls who testified in 2006. The families had to be terrified. Those crime fighters had nothing more urgent to do? That’s telling.
Donnie has a history of saying inappropriate things. Told a small child he’d be dating her in 10 yrs. (He was 46.) Comments about inspecting pageant contestants. https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/ With Howard Stern on air, co-host, Robin Quivers asked, “Do you have an age limit?” — DJT, “No, no, I have no age—, I mean, I have an age—I don’t want to be like Congressman Foley, with, you know, 12-year-olds.” (Foley was not accused of anything re: 12 yr olds.)
How close he was to Epstein spilled into the public view when he chose the FL fed prosecutor who did the ‘secret’ deal immunizing Epstein & co-conspirators from fed charges (Alex Acosta). Not popular. News again in 2019 when Epstein was charged by SDNY. The hue & cry grew despite DJT’s support. Acosta resigned. Epstein died. Now Maxwell uses the plea deal immunity to ask SCOTUS to review her failed appeal.
Influencers & podcaster - sold this stuff. Sold him as a ‘flawed vessel’, ‘the chosen one’. No more deep state. 2025, back in the WH, Bondi’s binders hung them all out to dry. DJT said to forget about it - worse - it’s a hoax. Credibility of podcasters & influencers (like Bongino) was built on him delivering. They have to balance supporting DJT against knowing they’ll still need credibility & audiences $$ after he’s gone. Joe Rogan is independent and he’s peeved.
Nothing stings like betrayal. Incoming from all directions:
“Two-thirds of Americans — including 86% of Democrats and 45% of Republicans — think the government is covering up evidence it has about Epstein.”
Bannon is MIA after saying he was holding 15 hrs of audio with Epstein. Stewart Rhodes got a pardon. He says DJT “… God saved him for a purpose. That purpose is to defeat the deep state. It's not to make great trade deals. It's not to have a great economy. It's not any of that stuff. The real heart and soul of it is to defeat the deep state."
Somewhere in the morass of misinformation woven to cover-up misdeeds of the rich and famous is a single thread which when pulled will unravel the lies made out of whole cloth. DJT cannot talk straight-forwardly or honestly about his friendship with Epstein and his knowledge of and participation in the financier's sexual enterprise. I believe this man's character will become more blackened as investigators seek for the truth.
They are all tripping over each other with their lies. If one made-up excuse doesn’t work to explain it, they make up another. How do you know these are lies? Because they don’t dare tell the truth & condemn themselves for these heinous crimes. A pox on them all.
An attorney would tell Trump to keep quiet on all of this, as he is digging a huge hole for himself. But he is so used to getting away with lies that he won’t stop. … Why was a 16 year old working at the Mar-a-Lago spa? How old was Virginia when she started there?
This is the one good thing about Trump - he is pathologically incapable of shutting up. Will always invariably make a mess. Whether it amounts to something legally culpable is always the sticking point.
So the liar continues to lie. He has a new lie to cover up his old lies but is ready to pivot to a different lie if the new lie doesn't land as planned. That's what pathological compulsive liars do.
Yes, it was Maxwell who lured Virginia Giuffre and groomed her. Additionally, Maxwell initiated and participated in sex acts with Virginia and Epstein. Maxwell is a monster- a convicted pedophile. Without Maxwell, Epstein would not have been able to abuse as many girls as he did. She was the one who brought the girls directly to him. And now the trump regime and their allies are trying to refashion Maxwell into a victim.
Trump had a long time association with Maxwell’s father who owned the New York Daily News and other media entities. Trump has known Ghislaine since she was a teenager.
Thank you for staying on this important story. My hometown paper, the Boston Globe, has nothing today about the U.S. presidents claim that a teenage employee who was sex trafficked was "stolen" from him. Unbelievable.
Virginia Roberts (Giuffre) was around 16-17 when she was "working" in the spa at Mar-a-Lago. Maybe younger than that when she started. There were other girls her age there, too. Allegedly "masseuses" in the spa.
Except refer to laws for Florida for massage and required training documentation. There is ZERO plausible way those girls were presenting that kind of documentation.
Start comparing the timelines, the ages of the then-girls and so forth, and it really becomes horrifyingly clear that Trump was quite literally trafficking underage girls out of Mar-a-Lago.
Why in the fuck has nobody ever LISTENED to the stories they've been trying to tell for years?
The question is not whether Trump is lying, the question is whether angered MAGAs will accept this lie and all the others he is constructing to try to get back in their good graces?
The above is in reference to an article by Kate Manne, an Australian philosopher and associate professor at Cornell, who interviewed one of Epstein and Trump’s victims. It’s a tough read, but if true, a really vital one for us to hear to truly grapple with the victims in this story.
What else was going on at the Trump “spa”? 16 year old girls aren’t licensed masseuses and DNK whether a kid is legally able to work (and for how many hours a week) in FL but clearly 16 year olds are supposed to be in school. So if she’s just a very liw level “spa” employee why in the world would he (a) care that she allegedly got poached and (b) even notice (he has hundreds of employees). The more he digs in, the worse it gets for him not Epstein. Would be a great angle to dig into.
I came over to ask that exact question. The word "spa" itself can be almost as suggestive as "massage parlor," especially when associated with the likes of Trump. The reference to Giuffre attending a "massage school in Thailand" also sent up a couple of bright red flares. Virginia Giuffre was a brave, brave woman.
"What actions did Trump actually take after learning Epstein had "stolen" underage girls from his club?" Hold on...what was Trump doing hiring "underage girls" (you mean children) at his Club? How many did he "hire"? Why "underage"? A cynical person could rightly wonder if this was a form of grooming.
Let him talk. he just digs the hole deeper.
He's a pathological liar, and makes up whatever pops into his head. Regarding anything Epstein, he squirms like a bug on a stick, because he was BFF's with America's most prolific serial pedophile for 10-15 years, and attended plenty of Jeffrey's pedo parties in NYC & FL. Even if he preferred his gals a bit older, he's savvy enough to know that his long friendship with you-know-who is political kryptonite, and will destroy him once MAGA finally gets how close these guys were.
Yeah, "a bit older," in his case, preferring them 15-17, instead of 12-14.
JFC, he publicly sexualized Ivanka, both in interviews in which they both appeared, and in photos of them together. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out he'd molested both of his own daughters.
There are verified (not AI-generated) photos showing Epstein in proximity to an adolescent Ivanka, too. He was friends with Trump for much of Ivanka's childhood and early adolescence. Begs the question for me if Epstein ever groomed her, since her own father so readily sexualized her.
Separately, Trump himself recently used the words (regarding Epstein) that he "stole" and "poached" an underage Virginia Roberts Giuffre who was, at the time, working at Mar-a-Lago. He said Epstein "poached," and "stole" girls ostensibly working at the time in the spa as masseuses at Mar-a-Lago. As if a 16-year-old girl can be a legitimate massage therapist ANYWHERE, much less someplace like Mar-a-Lago. Florida state law requires they be at least 18 and have 500 hours of training. There is no plausible way that Virginia Giuffre or any other adolescent girl even had falsified documentation showing she (or any of the others) was 18+ or possessed the requisite proof of training.
She and the other underage girls were there for one reason and one reason only.
As a side-note, for context: Virginia Giuffre was less than two years younger than Ivanka.
Trump was almost certainly pimping out those girls at Mar-a-Lago. You start putting together the timelines and bits of disparate information--especially the bits Trump drops himself when he's rattled about Epstein and gets to bloviating--and it really sets up a lot of truly disturbing questions.
Mar-a-Lago, like the Bath and Tennis Club just across the street, and other elite clubs in Palm Beach, tend to employ at least some pretty teen girls, and even a few boys. As eye candy, mostly. FYI, Trump founded Mar-a-Lago because he was blackballed from the B & T, the Everglades, and the Sailfish Club, which at the time were considered the pre-eminent WASP clubs on the island.
Virginia Guiffre recounted that Ghislaine saw her reading a book on massage (on her break?), and then made the pitch. Which, btw, happened a full six (6!) years *before* Trump's break with Epstein [edited] It seems very unlikely that the girl was a CMT (or its FL equivalent) at Trump's club.
One of the women who for a while pursued charges against Trump, claimed she'd been lured as a fourteen-year-old to one of Epstein's NYC "model audition" parties. She said that Trump led her upstairs and raped her, telling her afterwards to keep her mouth shut, or else.
Wow. Not just traveling to the island, but doing the same at lardamago... WHEW!
The flight logs don’t show DJT traveling to or from St James on Epstein’s planes. In 2007 when Epstein’s attorney was working out a plea deal with the federal prosecutor & the state prosecutor was working over the victims — Epstein began expanding his home and criminal enterprise in St James. He bought a 2nd St. James Island. Donnie booted him out of Mar a Lago in 2007.
Most of the abuse alleged in the records occurred in Palm Beach area. They both lived in Palm Beach a couple miles from one another. Fl passed a specific law to release the 2006 Epstein Florida Grand Jury.
When I say “working over the victim” I mean prosecutors brow beating victims. I imagine they did it when interviewing them as it turned into a Epstein defense team instead of prosecution. The records Grand Jury transcripts shows it happened did in front of the Grand Jury.
— “You’re aware that you committed a crime?” To the girl, who was 14 when she met Epstein. — Child prostitution was still illegal for the children involved in FL. When did you turn 15? Oh, you were almost 15. It went on and on about piercings; underwear; basically doing the work of defense attorneys. Grand Jurors did not seem to have any instructions or boundaries. They were allowed to asked ridiculous questions to shame & frighten. (Did you know you could have been “hacked up”?)
Just my opinion, but I think Epstein figured he was not going to be indicted at all. The state didn’t want to prosecute; the Palm Beach police chief said Epstein attorneys were getting details about their investigation. He went to the FBI and nothing happened. It’s no wonder this case launched wild conspiracy theories.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-florida-police-chief-epstein-case-worst-failure-criminal-justice-n1057226
Barry Krischer was the POS Palm Beach prosecutor who gave Epstein the ultimate sweetheart deal: a single count of soliciting a seventeen-year-old underage prostitute. This despite testimony from DOZENS of teen girls collected by the Palm Beach PD.
Krischer would apparently intimidate these girls as they were called before the grand jury, repeatedly reminding them that they were self-incriminating themselves as prostitutes by their testimony, and wouldn't they prefer to just pretend their abuse by Epstein never even happened?
Coupled with intense harassment by the high-profile GOP law firm hired by Epstein, that allegedly included death threats; but definitely included scary looking men in unmarked police cruisers following these girls to/from school, and parking at nights near their homes. Even the Palm Beach PD detectives working the case were treated to this constant harassment, even with their *own* kids (who had nothing to do with Epstein) being similarly shadowed.
Bad experiences mean among many independent advocates for trafficking victims (most of whom were trafficked themselves) & many sexual assault victim advocates — local police are not to be trusted. (For good reasons) Ironic & terrible that this case proved to be the exact opposite because when the problem is local they put their trust in the FBI. Now the remaining FL survivors see Maxwell going to the most favorable prison environment. Morons promoting her as a ‘scapegoat’ and ‘victim’. Pukeable.
I read a lot of the grand jury transcript. - 1 charge, 2 counts - a count for each of the 2 witnesses. (Re-published recently. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/trump/2025/07/19/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-transcripts-already-public-read-here/85292495007/) Right off the bat it was clear something was wrong and it only got worse. She was directly asked if she knew what she did was a crime. Her answer was yes but she didn’t know at the time. This is like cops talking about a case to the media to dirty up a suspect before the facts come out.
I know in at least some states grand jurors can ask witnesses questions. These followed the prosecutor’s lead & piled on. Terrible. Certainly not relevant to the facts of the case.
I had not seen anything about the harassment of witnesses from law enforcement outside of the way they were interviewed. Unmarked cars of course. 🙃 That would explain why there were only 2 girls who testified in 2006. The families had to be terrified. Those crime fighters had nothing more urgent to do? That’s telling.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/07/01/long-secret-judge-has-released-epstein-grand-jury-records/
Donnie has a history of saying inappropriate things. Told a small child he’d be dating her in 10 yrs. (He was 46.) Comments about inspecting pageant contestants. https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/ With Howard Stern on air, co-host, Robin Quivers asked, “Do you have an age limit?” — DJT, “No, no, I have no age—, I mean, I have an age—I don’t want to be like Congressman Foley, with, you know, 12-year-olds.” (Foley was not accused of anything re: 12 yr olds.)
How close he was to Epstein spilled into the public view when he chose the FL fed prosecutor who did the ‘secret’ deal immunizing Epstein & co-conspirators from fed charges (Alex Acosta). Not popular. News again in 2019 when Epstein was charged by SDNY. The hue & cry grew despite DJT’s support. Acosta resigned. Epstein died. Now Maxwell uses the plea deal immunity to ask SCOTUS to review her failed appeal.
Qs & maga viewed Mr. “I wish her well” as either being treated unfairly, imperfect but ‘chosen’ or both. In a 2nd term he was going to unleash “the storm” and eliminate the deep state, global cabal. It’s why Qs were at the Capitol on Jan6. The religious aspect was stronger & spread further after the assassination attempts. https://theconversation.com/how-the-qanon-movement-entered-mainstream-politics-and-why-the-silence-on-epstein-files-matters-261316
Influencers & podcaster - sold this stuff. Sold him as a ‘flawed vessel’, ‘the chosen one’. No more deep state. 2025, back in the WH, Bondi’s binders hung them all out to dry. DJT said to forget about it - worse - it’s a hoax. Credibility of podcasters & influencers (like Bongino) was built on him delivering. They have to balance supporting DJT against knowing they’ll still need credibility & audiences $$ after he’s gone. Joe Rogan is independent and he’s peeved.
Nothing stings like betrayal. Incoming from all directions:
“Two-thirds of Americans — including 86% of Democrats and 45% of Republicans — think the government is covering up evidence it has about Epstein.”
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52680-disapproval-donald-trump-bipartisanship-jeffrey-epstein-shift-2016-election-russia-interference-epa-environment-trade-tariffs-july-25-28-2025-economist-yougov-poll
Bannon is MIA after saying he was holding 15 hrs of audio with Epstein. Stewart Rhodes got a pardon. He says DJT “… God saved him for a purpose. That purpose is to defeat the deep state. It's not to make great trade deals. It's not to have a great economy. It's not any of that stuff. The real heart and soul of it is to defeat the deep state."
Somewhere in the morass of misinformation woven to cover-up misdeeds of the rich and famous is a single thread which when pulled will unravel the lies made out of whole cloth. DJT cannot talk straight-forwardly or honestly about his friendship with Epstein and his knowledge of and participation in the financier's sexual enterprise. I believe this man's character will become more blackened as investigators seek for the truth.
He's got a cheese-flavored back-hoe going full tilt!
They are all tripping over each other with their lies. If one made-up excuse doesn’t work to explain it, they make up another. How do you know these are lies? Because they don’t dare tell the truth & condemn themselves for these heinous crimes. A pox on them all.
And may the fleas from a billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, BILLION camels infest their loins.
And may their arms be too short to scratch.
Hahahaha! Ya damn right!
...and their houses.
An attorney would tell Trump to keep quiet on all of this, as he is digging a huge hole for himself. But he is so used to getting away with lies that he won’t stop. … Why was a 16 year old working at the Mar-a-Lago spa? How old was Virginia when she started there?
" Why was a 16 year old working at the Mar-a-Lago spa?"
And in what context was she "stolen?"
Giuffre was 14 (15 tops) when she "stolen" by Epstein. Two-three years "with" him/Maxwell. Photos have her with Prince Andrew at around 17-years-old.
This is the one good thing about Trump - he is pathologically incapable of shutting up. Will always invariably make a mess. Whether it amounts to something legally culpable is always the sticking point.
So the liar continues to lie. He has a new lie to cover up his old lies but is ready to pivot to a different lie if the new lie doesn't land as planned. That's what pathological compulsive liars do.
Yes, it was Maxwell who lured Virginia Giuffre and groomed her. Additionally, Maxwell initiated and participated in sex acts with Virginia and Epstein. Maxwell is a monster- a convicted pedophile. Without Maxwell, Epstein would not have been able to abuse as many girls as he did. She was the one who brought the girls directly to him. And now the trump regime and their allies are trying to refashion Maxwell into a victim.
Trump had a long time association with Maxwell’s father who owned the New York Daily News and other media entities. Trump has known Ghislaine since she was a teenager.
How could Donald Trump misremember this timeline of events? I thought he had "the best memory." 🤔
Would that be the "Be Best" memory, perhaps? Ok,.. I'll just see myself on out.
Come on out, we're all in the parking lot.
Be right there!
😂
The best memory in the history of the world.
Brains like no one's ever seen!
Thank you for staying on this important story. My hometown paper, the Boston Globe, has nothing today about the U.S. presidents claim that a teenage employee who was sex trafficked was "stolen" from him. Unbelievable.
Anyone who believes a word out ot Trump's mouth is a fool and one of his "marks". No amount of lying will ever convince this voter otherwise.
Hahahaha! OK? He couldn't sell me a used car, boat or plane!
Yet, he sold a 79 million a load of goods on being a better president than Kamala Harris.
Yep. But these are folks who will throw every bit of science out of the window with a shrug because the guy at the pulpit tole em to!
I’m not sure underage girls should have been working at a Trump “spa”
Virginia Roberts (Giuffre) was around 16-17 when she was "working" in the spa at Mar-a-Lago. Maybe younger than that when she started. There were other girls her age there, too. Allegedly "masseuses" in the spa.
Except refer to laws for Florida for massage and required training documentation. There is ZERO plausible way those girls were presenting that kind of documentation.
Start comparing the timelines, the ages of the then-girls and so forth, and it really becomes horrifyingly clear that Trump was quite literally trafficking underage girls out of Mar-a-Lago.
Why in the fuck has nobody ever LISTENED to the stories they've been trying to tell for years?
The question is not whether Trump is lying, the question is whether angered MAGAs will accept this lie and all the others he is constructing to try to get back in their good graces?
https://open.substack.com/pub/katemanne/p/the-actual-conspiracy-theory-surrounding?r=n8sec&utm_medium=ios
The above is in reference to an article by Kate Manne, an Australian philosopher and associate professor at Cornell, who interviewed one of Epstein and Trump’s victims. It’s a tough read, but if true, a really vital one for us to hear to truly grapple with the victims in this story.
Thanks. I was trying to remember that and couldn't.
"This timeline is inconsistent with previous public statements made by Trump and his representatives."
That tracks accurately. The Pretender in Cheese, lies as he breathes.
What else was going on at the Trump “spa”? 16 year old girls aren’t licensed masseuses and DNK whether a kid is legally able to work (and for how many hours a week) in FL but clearly 16 year olds are supposed to be in school. So if she’s just a very liw level “spa” employee why in the world would he (a) care that she allegedly got poached and (b) even notice (he has hundreds of employees). The more he digs in, the worse it gets for him not Epstein. Would be a great angle to dig into.
I came over to ask that exact question. The word "spa" itself can be almost as suggestive as "massage parlor," especially when associated with the likes of Trump. The reference to Giuffre attending a "massage school in Thailand" also sent up a couple of bright red flares. Virginia Giuffre was a brave, brave woman.
Why is no one using
Katie Johnson v DT 2016
Jane Doe v DT/E 2016
Explicit testimony.
Hey Judd! You missed the "smoking gun" question.
"What actions did Trump actually take after learning Epstein had "stolen" underage girls from his club?" Hold on...what was Trump doing hiring "underage girls" (you mean children) at his Club? How many did he "hire"? Why "underage"? A cynical person could rightly wonder if this was a form of grooming.
I can't wait for this to be over.
I fear SCOTUS will vacate her conviction.
If that happens, he will skate.