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Feb 26·edited Feb 26

An embryo = a potential (not actual) child. How hard can that be to grasp? It's like child's play unless your stealthy agenda is actually about something else.

Like control.

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I wish there was more attention given by the media to the fact that the embryos used in IVF are only 6-10 cells!!! For the religious absolutist, that won't make any difference, but for the average person, conferring all human rights on 6-10 cells is not going to make sense.

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Only a very narrow strip of far right wing evangelicals believe that life begins at conception. All of this bullshit is nothing more than an attempt to impose that far right wing, and frankly blasphemous, version of something its adherents mislabel as Christianity on the rest of us. It is a clear violation of the First Amendment. It is a clear violation of 250 years of American jurisprudence, legislation and tradition. And it is absolutely what Donald Trump and his co-conspirators will force should they manage to steal the 2024 election.

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Another phony issue from the GOP to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. Pretending to legislate in order to “protect children” is how GOP legislators rile up the rubes & prevent them from seeing the reality, which is that they are accomplishing nothing for the benefit of the average citizen. Meanwhile, they are supporting a serial rapist & potential fascist dictator who wants to implement forced birth, fake Christianism & more tax cuts for the Uber-wealthy while seeking revenge for wrongs committed only in his warped & demented perception. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!! Before they take your vote away to “protect the children”.

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These people can’t have it both ways. They can’t punish people who don’t want to remain pregnant (or become pregnant again) and not treat these ‘children’ like any full-fledged person. If it’s a person, then it is a whole person with all the rights of a person, not just the ones that support your ridiculous theocratic posturing.

If we are going to call fertilized eggs ‘children’, that Child Tax Credit needs to apply every time you get a positive pregnancy test, every single time— change the tax codes. Child support applies from the moment of conception, as does WIC and any increased benefits. After all, they want to take care of those future children, right? The fees for embryo storage should be classed as childcare and you should be able to use your daycare spending account on it. Life insurance should pay out every time an embryo is nonviable, whether IVF or otherwise. IVF centers should be reclassified as group homes. If these are actual people, all the rights and benefits of parenting an actual child should be available to the parents.

That Texas Corrections Officer who miscarried due to her employer’s actions should be able to collect from her employer as if that fetus was a child they caused the negligent death of. If destroying frozen embryos or having a miscarriage is a criminal offense, that only makes sense—right?!

Because this is all about protecting children. It isn’t about theocracy, or punishing women, or restricting the rights of individuals to control their own bodies. Right? These changes should be easy to make. They are logical and right under the circumstances. So our prolife government watchdogs should be devoting all their time to making these changes. For the children.

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As usual Republicans are promoting something they do not actually KNOW anything about. This is the process of how cults (such as the bizarre QAnon) operate. The unique particulars they would argue vehemently to defend encourages all trying to understand this belief system to feel an admonition to let someone else do their thinking, ignore their intuition, and be out of touch with their own Higher Wisdom.

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It would be wonderful if those who support Alabama's laws about life beginning at conception cared as much about children after they are born. I am the parent of a 45 year old son who has significant developmental disabilities. He will need support for the rest of his life from governmental programs, all of them funded by Medicaid. Like all other such parents, I spend all of my free time doing what I can to make sure that funding continues long after I am gone. Judd -- a topic for another essay. How many of those lawmakers supporting IVF also supported overturning Obamacare and cutting funding for Medicaid? And how about their views on other marginalized people like Nex Benedict. Didn't she have a right to life after she was born? Apparently, every life is precious except if the person who results isn't like those making the laws in Alabama.

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Check this map of the 125 Republicans and 19 Senators who voted for Life At Conception bills.

https://thedemlabs.org/2024/02/25/map-of-maga-reps-who-voted-to-restrict-ivf-life-at-conception-bill/

See how Republicans are moving rapidly to a total abortion ban with this infographic from overturning Roe v Wade, blocking travel out of state, banning abortion pills and criminalizing IVF.

https://thedemlabs.org/2024/02/22/trump-total-abortion-ban-ivf/

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A very thoughtful report, Judd. Johnson is creepy. I simply do not understand the obsession with reproduction.

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But there is always more.

Most of the frozen embryos will never be used. After step one in these laws, I dare say will come step two. Parental rights will be part of the medical contract. If the genetic parents do not use them under death or divorce etc, "These embryos deserve a right to be born!" They will be confiscated and implanted into surrogates and paid for by the wealthy infertile. The spin, not as trafficking, but as God's will.

Fertility is waning across the world. Those embryos will be a commodity.

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I don’t know about anyone else - just speaking for me - but all of this stems from this originalism BS; that law comes from our 1700s Constitution and earlier British common law. The genius of the Constitution is that it can be changed. And it was written by white, property and slave owning men. To not consider where we are now; that we have weapons of mass destruction in the hands of people; that IVF and stem cells exist; that all Americans of age can vote; and so many other things, is patently ridiculous. And we’re letting elected, nominated and wealthy white men bring this country backwards. And not only backwards, but having these people pick and choose what everyone should believe. It’s insane. And happening right in front of us.

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This is a back door attack on the LBQG community, among other things. Personally, I am too old for any of this stuff, but as I support adoption for people who can't conceive their own, I am not particularly sympathetic to this cause. I consider the idea that one must have a child with their own genes to be social propaganda, not science.

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How do these idiots explain twins?! If an embryo is a full person then is a twin (an embryo that splits) a split soul? I guess they don’t have to have logic and reason as long as they get to be cruel and stupid. Thank you for pointing out the GOPS inconsistency and bullshit as always, while the MSM just accepts GOP statements and framing with credulity.

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Next stop: bye bye birth control.

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1) We learned with Amy CB that these folks will say anything...what they DO is the thing to note; 2) Are they really willing to extend tax credits and exemptions for these "children"? Because let's face it: the government already has a stance on when you have a child

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I guess we don't need a uterus then to call dividing cells human life. So how will those cells develop without a woman's uterus? How can that be human life? If live sperm have nowhere to fertilize as an egg is not there to fertilize, have we broken a law? The sperm are alive. Do we want the government in our bedrooms as well as in the doctor's office making our health care decisions for us? This is all so dumb and it looks a lot like a way to oppress women and harm families based on a nationalized religion, which is forbidden by the first amendment. That's how important it is to not have an established religion imposed upon us. The Founders put it in the very first amendment in the bill of rights. We want a bill of rights, right??? It's so hard being a Christian ,watching these folks not follow that good book- no love is involved in this controversy. Jesus would not stone the women. He might tip the tables over tho!

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