Check out the NY Times lead article today - in it they claim there are "subtle" differences between how Trump and Harris would deal with illegal immigration. WOW! That's like saying there are subtle differences between a fire cracker and an atomic bomb. What is wrong with these people?
the press wants a TRUMP dictatorship. Appears that the transnational crime syndicate isn't going to run itself. "Hear tel"l the Kushner's will be back in the WH-- with Steve Miller, Loomer, etc --suspect there's money laundering to be done. & the press appears complicit.
What "lead article"? I'm not finding it. If you can read a NYT article, you should be able to provide a gift link for readers who may not be able to find, much less read, the article you reference.
Terrifying... And another massive media failure. Frankly they don't even have to report all those numbers, all they have to do is remind the American people of what happened a few years ago when Alabama passed a harsh, racist anti-immigrant law. Immigrants fled the state by the thousands and crops rotted in the fields, construction projects screeched to a halt and more. Alabama farmers and contractors were furious...not that it stopped them from voting for Republicans.
Heavy emphasis on "another massive media failure." It's not just FOX "Not Really News" but ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, National Public TV and radio, NY Times, WAPO, etc., etc., etc....
They never learn. Fanatical fear thanks to corrupt politicians, media, and citizens lack of understanding that politics and leadership choices... are not the same as an Alabama football game.
The deportations happened in Georgia too. The "citizens" that were hired to work the fields lasted a week at most. Same result - crops rotting in the fields.
To deport these law abiding families would be immoral. They didn't walk two thousand miles away from a stable country, or a safe neighborhood. My own ancestors sailed away from starvation and were met by bigotry when they arrived. Then they built New York City.
Thank you for telling us the financial cost of deportation, but how can we quantify the emotional cost? My neighborhood is now filled with immigrants (at least they are new Spanish speaking families and men, so like the police, I am profiling them).
Every day I watch these new neighbors get on bikes and scooters, or get picked up in trucks, and go off to work. Some come out and walk, perhaps to a bus stop. None of them are wearing professional clothes, so you know the work is at the bottom, likely difficult and low-paying. They all pay taxes. They all send their children to the local schools. They are all our neighbors. My neighborhood has tripled in children playing outside.
America is a land of immigrants. To turn away my people back in the day would have been turning away future soldiers, teachers, lawyers, architects, engineers, entrepreneurs, veterans advocates, all college graduates, all contributing to a strong America. When I look at the new people around me, that's what I see.
"Trumps Folly" it will become known in the history books. It will cripple the US economy and what's left of our reputation around the world... Brexit on steroids. Putin and China will celebrate the total destruction of their main adversary. I seriously doubt that the country will ever recover financially and/or morally.
Israel has now opened the door to just how insidious warfare can become. As if Russia was leading the charge, Israel has now outdone them 10 times over. Next time you pick up your cell phone or any electronic device...know that it could, "quite literally" kill you. This is our new world people.
We had the opportunity to stop it and what did we do...thoughts and prayers along with just enough push back to slow their progress while we evaluated the consequences of our lack of initiative. You..."have to consider the big picture", "the reality is you have to let these things play out", and "we need more time to weigh our options". Times up.
England's intellectually compromised voters years ago, went for it (Brexit) big time, despite the best analysis's. They got what they asked for, setting the country back decades.
Our case is a little different, as our compromised citizens are armed, paranoid, proven dangerous, better financed, and more violent, have an immense amount of media and political celebration/support and involvement, and are fanatically attached to the leadership of a moron with a bad attitude and a lifelong criminal record...along with other support from unhinged wealthy entrepreneurs. Trump could care less about the 100's of thousands he has killed due to his lack of ability to lead. (in case some of you you still might be wondering "moron" refers to Trump) The entrepreneurs referred to, are all that support the MAGA movement, be they Republican or Independents. Short sighted miscreants who realize, their wealth will protect them even if the country self destructs.
We could actually attempt to change that narrative, and trajectory, by voting third party. The Duopoly/Uniparty has two candidates, both of which are acceptable to TPTB. We know this because they are named, interviewed, shown, and discussed regularly in the MSM. Voting for either of them is the true "throwing your vote away" act.
If all of us who oppose the current dynamics were to vote third party, we could see how strong we really are, and send a message of solidarity to each other. As an added bonus, we might even scare the living sh*t out of the establishment.
The reality is not pleasant. There are not enough votes in this country to support a third party run/victory. We need to support the best choice of the 2 candidates we have in order to survive...quite literally! Anything else is suicidal. 2 to 10% of a third party vote stat would be lost and forgotten after the initial media cycle, never to be remembered...ever. Do you remember the baseball team that finished the 1998 season in last position? A wasted vote...is a "wasted vote" the consequences of which will be catastrophic. As you wallow in poverty within a more dangerous world, you will be left with the knowledge that you helped cause it. Comparatively speaking, on a danger scale from 1-10, Trump is a 10 on the scale of danger, Harris a 3.
A Harris presidency will slow and might stop our slide into the abyss. Trump is a stated enemy of the country and needs to be jailed. Now is not the time to tilt at windmills, unfortunately.
Israel has now taught us the lengths at which people will go to terrorize populations. Trump thinks it's brilliant. Want to live in fear of technology...couldn't be a more obvious in your face "...danger/warning Will Robinson." moment. No one is safe anymore to include those with tons of money, power and influence...they don't realize it but...their money can no longer protect them unless they want to dig a hole and hide underground...alone and in the dark...having revealed to no, one person,where they are hiding.
"A Harris presidency will slow and might stop our slide into the abyss."
Which abyss would that be? The abyss of literally funding and co-authoring a genocide? Too late: Harris and Biden actually took us over the brink into that abyss.
Or perhaps you're talking about the abyss of climate catastrophe? Again, Biden and Harris have ensured that catastrophic environmental devastation continues full-speed in the US and globally.
If you vote for Harris, you are voting for genocide, which is voting for mass murder, and voting for planetary destruction. Claiming that any vote other than a vote for mass murder and planetary destruction is "a wasted vote"--I hardly even know how to characterize that claim. Morally bankrupt, for one. It is unsatisfactory to claim, "A Harris vote is a vote for less genocide and less planetary destruction than a vote for Trump." No humane person should vote for any genocide or any planetary destruction.
There are candidates who, in contrast, fully oppose genocide, planetary destruction, fascistic xenophobia, and profiteering on the backs of workers, candidates who instead support providing people with housing, health care, and education, who support stopping bellicose, imperialistic US foreign policy and redirecting grotesque military spending to meet the needs of people here and abroad. World hunger could be ended immediately with a fraction of the US military budget. We have candidates who promote this. Their names are not Harris or Trump. When you rule out those candidates, you rule out justice. If those candidates receive only 2-10% of the vote, it's because people like you did not vote for them. You have a choice, despite what Democrats want you to believe.
As you have the abyss pretty much understood...I am on your side. What is your plan to convince 200 MM voters to do your bidding within the next week to 2 weeks?
I make a living solving problems. I have worked for, with, and sometimes along side the best of the best leaders within big business and government for the last 50+ years.
Bernie failed at his best shot convention debacle. Carter failed while under attack from political and financial fronts that in my opinion were in most cases insidious.
I have met with Democratic party members and provided them with what I felt was a reasonable pathway and no one was enthusiastic. It would take time and require too much effort. Everyone expects/wants things to happen immediately. History has taught us it doesn't, with the exception of declarations oif war and other major disasters.
So what is your plan? Remember 200MM in less than 2 weeks. If you can't provide those kind of results, and too many others put together a protest vote (which isn't going to evolve from the MAGA contingent) there won't be enough votes to keep Trump from becoming our country's first dictator.
SO...What is your plan, because I don't have one at the moment. And remember, I am a seasoned, successful, professional problem solver and have thought and worked on this issue/problem for many years. But I also believe that there is... a solution to every problem...and it is out there...and it doesn't have to come from me.
SO...what is your realistic and practical solution which avoids another TRUMP presidency?
I do not share your framing of the situation in at least three respects.
First, you begin and end with the assertion that the imperative of the moment is to avoid another Trump presidency. While a Trump presidency would be a red alert situation, it is also the case that a Harris presidency would be a red alert situation, just as the Biden presidency already is. There is no distinction between genocide and genocide.
Second, you seem to assert that the only worthwhile course of action is one that will yield complete success in two weeks, implying that any efforts that would not achieve this are not worth joining. Building a mass movement to defeat capitalist imperialism--which is the only way to end genocide, end planetary destruction, and end the mass exploitation of workers around the globe--will not be accomplished in the next two weeks. It is an effort which has been over a century in the making, and it will take some more time. That it will not reach fruition in the next two weeks is no excuse, in my view, for not continuing to contribute to it in any and all ways that we can.
This flows into my third difference in how to frame the situation: only collective efforts will be successful. Devising or engineering a plan as a lone individual, let alone attempting to execute that plan as an individual, will not work. This is why continuing to build and strengthen the mass movement is necessary. Electoral politics may be leveraged to assist with this and may be considered productive even if the candidate does not win because the movement has continued to grow, and likely to grow exponentially, which is what is needed for the longer project of justice.
Electing Harris does nothing to advance that project. That is why I am voting for Claudia De la Cruz.
That's an option this country affords you this time...if Trump gets into office you may not have an option to vote for anyone other than who Trump or crew wants/allows you to vote for. Russian voting as an example.
Voting third party is a great idea on paper, but it's a disaster in reality. Robert F. Kennedy's main purpose - whether he knew it or not - was to suck Biden votes and tip the scales to Trump. Mega Trump financiers also financed RFK Jr.
Joy in HK, you wrote: "We could actually attempt to change that narrative, and trajectory, by voting third party." Not going to happen. With such a close election, the most probable outcome from voting for a third party candidate would, more likely, put in Donald Trump back in the WH. Do you really want that? Protest votes for third parties have never and will never elevate one of them to the status of the two main parties.
For an excellent history of U.S. third parties, read this article from Mother Jones: "Frustrated by the two-party system? Polling shows you’re not alone, with more Americans than ever supporting the idea of a third party. But the winner of November’s presidential election will be either Biden or Trump, and voters weighing other candidates need to consider if a protest vote to end the duopoly might instead help end our democracy. In the May+June 2024 issue, we examine the past and present of third-party outsiders, and how they could upend this year’s race." https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/04/third-party-timeline/
Perhaps after the country is in a desperate state that might happen, where as historically those in power, when things fall apart and we are on the edge of a revolution for survival...,the establishment players, come up with the money, time, and concern to save their power and asses, by giving back just enough to keep the masses quelled. Search Mercedes before and after WWII and all the major industrial players of all the war faring countries before and after the war. Check out their behavior up to this day. Keeping the masses entertained with video games, sports, betting, and alcohol, along wit allowing them access to the rick of playing stocks on the internet and cryptocurrency, and keeping them out of participation leadership decisions, keeps them wholly unaware of the greater reality of who controls their lives with policies designed to concentrate wealth and power to the worlds 1%. This 1 % pay great attention and dollars to manipulate the worlds population in order to maintain control and their cash flow.
I stand corrected although ...There is a distinction in levels of insidiousness, to purposely use everyday passive household items, en masse, to wipe out civilians and/or militants, a perceived enemy. It challenges the safety of everything that everyone considers to be safe, for everyday use, every where in the world. But/and... you are correct when you say that they all are responsible for reprehensible behavior. As a species we never seem to share enough education or truth to end the cycle of human tragedy.
I'd rather focus on the poll - at this point - as opposed to the serious issues of mass deportation. More than half the country, including a quarter of the Democrats, is OK with it? What kind of racist, xenophobic BS is this? And in Springfield, the legal Haitian immigrants - "oh, no, we didn't mean those" - who are in Springfield because they were wooed with the promise of jobs - are the first for the round up? People, many of whom believe in a deity, should take a hard look at themselves.
I say racist but also selfish and dumb. Blaming society’s ills is not limited to white people. I know some immigrants who are now citizens are also major Trumpers. They have undocumented relatives for some time but still cannot muster any sympathy for their fellow immigrants.
The media nor the Dems never mentions/discusses the one main reason for the anti-immigrant hate, mass deportation, etc. The ONE thing that drives it all, and it's the most VISIBLY obvious. It's the one thing the people they are targeting, whether here legally or not, have in common.
Hint: it starts with "r" and ends in "ism." The right has a particular "theory" about it, too, which used to be one of the quiet things but MAGA congress people have talked about it, as does a fascist owner of a huge, yet declining social media platform.
It's become increasingly clear just how much of our current political predicament is the result of the corporate media narrative. What's less clear is how to break through the wall of misinformation. MSNBC and a small list of Substack writers seem to be but a drip in the firehose...a critical drip that needs to be magnified somehow.
You do herculean work and this sentence you wrote said it best: " But the results of the poll tell us less about the actual views of American voters, and more about the overall failure of the media and others to educate citizens on what exactly Trump’s plans for mass deportation entail. " Besides you how do we get the media to act properly? As always thank you...
Would warm the hearts of Hitler brownshirts if they were revived from their damnable rest in Hell. Scary for immigrants and should be to all right-thinking citizens. To the odd brand of co-opted Christianity a reminder from Jesus: Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do.
Ed, this is even scary for a 2nd generation US born person with a Latina name. I've been treated to extra screenings at passport control when re-entering the US from overseas travel. I honestly do fear the rise in temperature caused by the vitriol and racism.
His deportation plan should be called what it is: the makings of an Hispanic Holocaust. (This was why Trump was speaking yesterday in copland, Nassau Country; he's ginning up his future Gestapo.) Because the millions kidnapped and put in camps will not be deported if they are able-bodied. They will be, like people in jails, rented out to corporations to earn their keep, which is how Trump will justify the costs of the programs, just as many of Nazis camps were "work camps" where people were worked to death. Prison labor has already had huge economic effects because it is essentially slavery. Enslaving Hispanics will make that effect seem tiny.
Also, who will build this infrastructure? The Nazis didn't build their camps or gas chamber trucks, etc. They put it all out to bid. Which department will handle these bids, which companies will build the camps, which states will offer to host the camps, and what consultants (such as McKinsey) will advise everyone involved? We know Palantir will be the company to provide the data management, the IBM of this Holocaust. The irony, of course, will be that the kidnapped and enslaved Hispanics will be forced to build the camps themselves, many likely having construction skills. There might be a story in how these camps will compare to those built to imprison innocent Japanese-Americans during WWII.
There's another story in how this will affect businesses and schools, who will likely be made complicit being forced to hand over any suspected undocumented workers. I would go to, say, the big carmakers, construction companies and ag businesses, and ask what their deportation plans are and how will the lose of these workers affect their businesses.
Excellent points. There will indeed be a forced labor component, especially since that comports with this nation’s “history & tradition” (as used by SCOTUS).
Note that real penalties for employers who hire undocumented workers are absent from the diatribe. Also, where will the millions be deported TO?
They may start with “brown people from other countries,” but trumpanzees on the rampage will be the new SS and Brown Shirts—no one will be safe. NO ONE. And those so-called, “independents” closeting their bigotry with claims of “impartiality” will readily join the fascists. This country has not addressed the FACT of TREASON and homegrown TERRORISTS. We have allowed tRump to pollute all this democracy ever stood for; he IS a stochastic terrorist. He should have been locked up. . .
Has anyone noticed? While tRump flies around in Jeffrey Epstein’s former plane (a transferral of ownership between working partners), the famous Black sex offender remains in a NYC jail without bail. . . Sex offender and trafficker, Matt Gaetz, is free as a bird, too, and his charges of murdering a roommate miraculously disappeared.
Where Repug Fascism is concerned, Justice doesn’t exist. Not anywhere, not ever.
Yes, an army like this would attract exactly the wrong sort of people you would want to give power to. A uniform, weaponry, and "immunity" to treat (brown) people however they want. This proposal really is sickening.
I’m interested in seeing the role that the prison industrial complex plays in shaping and promoting this policy. Big $ collected by a reprehensible industry at the expense of American taxpayers and the American economy. I bet Judd will make those connections, if relevant, in future pieces.
Too bad Trump governs in "concepts" and not real ideas! Plus he's not a sane rational person, nor is his Veep pick! Yes, we have an immigration problem, but the way to fix it is by LAWS, NOT MASS DEPORTATION! Just another Hitlerian/fascist call to power from DJ/JD! Let's just hope American voters are realistic and don't elect this cabal in November!
Trump can only speak in "concepts," because he can no longer string together ideas and rational thoughts in the ways required to formulate a plan. We can visualize the inside of his head as an old fashioned pinball machine wherein there's no exit, and the ball continuously ricochets around. Each electronic bumper the bouncing ball hits causes him to pop out one of his old favorites (mostly from his 2016 campaign), then the solenoid is triggered and he bounces to another thought or phrase. New phrases may enter the lexicon from time to time, but none of it has anything to do with anything else. The flippers may be triggered by certain thoughts and phrases he hears from others, but essentially, when it comes to logical thinking strategizing, and planning for his campaign or the government he would run there's "no there, there," no connection of one thing to another, no 2+2=4, no logical progression just this random ricocheting around of his thoughts as if they were triggered by a bouncing pinball. (Some of those who have experienced the advancing dementia of close relatives will recognize the pattern.)
I’d like for you to explain the correlation between deportation and American job loss. Article stated for every million deportations there would be 880,000 losses of jobs for citizens. The prospect of him being elected and actually attempting mass deportation is horrifying.
We've been given a great deal of math by the women reporting for POPULAR INFORMATION but please get the numbers right. It was 88,000 losses of jobs for every million deported.
Check out the NY Times lead article today - in it they claim there are "subtle" differences between how Trump and Harris would deal with illegal immigration. WOW! That's like saying there are subtle differences between a fire cracker and an atomic bomb. What is wrong with these people?
I didn't think it was possible for NYT to worse, but silly me...
Difference between the dead and still living. Really.
the press wants a TRUMP dictatorship. Appears that the transnational crime syndicate isn't going to run itself. "Hear tel"l the Kushner's will be back in the WH-- with Steve Miller, Loomer, etc --suspect there's money laundering to be done. & the press appears complicit.
Which NY Times lead article today? By whom? I read German Lopez' lead article in The Morning, and do not find what you claim.
What "lead article"? I'm not finding it. If you can read a NYT article, you should be able to provide a gift link for readers who may not be able to find, much less read, the article you reference.
I pay Naomi attention to. The NT Timre
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Terrifying... And another massive media failure. Frankly they don't even have to report all those numbers, all they have to do is remind the American people of what happened a few years ago when Alabama passed a harsh, racist anti-immigrant law. Immigrants fled the state by the thousands and crops rotted in the fields, construction projects screeched to a halt and more. Alabama farmers and contractors were furious...not that it stopped them from voting for Republicans.
Heavy emphasis on "another massive media failure." It's not just FOX "Not Really News" but ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, National Public TV and radio, NY Times, WAPO, etc., etc., etc....
They never learn. Fanatical fear thanks to corrupt politicians, media, and citizens lack of understanding that politics and leadership choices... are not the same as an Alabama football game.
The deportations happened in Georgia too. The "citizens" that were hired to work the fields lasted a week at most. Same result - crops rotting in the fields.
To deport these law abiding families would be immoral. They didn't walk two thousand miles away from a stable country, or a safe neighborhood. My own ancestors sailed away from starvation and were met by bigotry when they arrived. Then they built New York City.
Thank you for telling us the financial cost of deportation, but how can we quantify the emotional cost? My neighborhood is now filled with immigrants (at least they are new Spanish speaking families and men, so like the police, I am profiling them).
Every day I watch these new neighbors get on bikes and scooters, or get picked up in trucks, and go off to work. Some come out and walk, perhaps to a bus stop. None of them are wearing professional clothes, so you know the work is at the bottom, likely difficult and low-paying. They all pay taxes. They all send their children to the local schools. They are all our neighbors. My neighborhood has tripled in children playing outside.
America is a land of immigrants. To turn away my people back in the day would have been turning away future soldiers, teachers, lawyers, architects, engineers, entrepreneurs, veterans advocates, all college graduates, all contributing to a strong America. When I look at the new people around me, that's what I see.
"Trumps Folly" it will become known in the history books. It will cripple the US economy and what's left of our reputation around the world... Brexit on steroids. Putin and China will celebrate the total destruction of their main adversary. I seriously doubt that the country will ever recover financially and/or morally.
Israel has now opened the door to just how insidious warfare can become. As if Russia was leading the charge, Israel has now outdone them 10 times over. Next time you pick up your cell phone or any electronic device...know that it could, "quite literally" kill you. This is our new world people.
We had the opportunity to stop it and what did we do...thoughts and prayers along with just enough push back to slow their progress while we evaluated the consequences of our lack of initiative. You..."have to consider the big picture", "the reality is you have to let these things play out", and "we need more time to weigh our options". Times up.
England's intellectually compromised voters years ago, went for it (Brexit) big time, despite the best analysis's. They got what they asked for, setting the country back decades.
Our case is a little different, as our compromised citizens are armed, paranoid, proven dangerous, better financed, and more violent, have an immense amount of media and political celebration/support and involvement, and are fanatically attached to the leadership of a moron with a bad attitude and a lifelong criminal record...along with other support from unhinged wealthy entrepreneurs. Trump could care less about the 100's of thousands he has killed due to his lack of ability to lead. (in case some of you you still might be wondering "moron" refers to Trump) The entrepreneurs referred to, are all that support the MAGA movement, be they Republican or Independents. Short sighted miscreants who realize, their wealth will protect them even if the country self destructs.
We could actually attempt to change that narrative, and trajectory, by voting third party. The Duopoly/Uniparty has two candidates, both of which are acceptable to TPTB. We know this because they are named, interviewed, shown, and discussed regularly in the MSM. Voting for either of them is the true "throwing your vote away" act.
If all of us who oppose the current dynamics were to vote third party, we could see how strong we really are, and send a message of solidarity to each other. As an added bonus, we might even scare the living sh*t out of the establishment.
The reality is not pleasant. There are not enough votes in this country to support a third party run/victory. We need to support the best choice of the 2 candidates we have in order to survive...quite literally! Anything else is suicidal. 2 to 10% of a third party vote stat would be lost and forgotten after the initial media cycle, never to be remembered...ever. Do you remember the baseball team that finished the 1998 season in last position? A wasted vote...is a "wasted vote" the consequences of which will be catastrophic. As you wallow in poverty within a more dangerous world, you will be left with the knowledge that you helped cause it. Comparatively speaking, on a danger scale from 1-10, Trump is a 10 on the scale of danger, Harris a 3.
A Harris presidency will slow and might stop our slide into the abyss. Trump is a stated enemy of the country and needs to be jailed. Now is not the time to tilt at windmills, unfortunately.
Israel has now taught us the lengths at which people will go to terrorize populations. Trump thinks it's brilliant. Want to live in fear of technology...couldn't be a more obvious in your face "...danger/warning Will Robinson." moment. No one is safe anymore to include those with tons of money, power and influence...they don't realize it but...their money can no longer protect them unless they want to dig a hole and hide underground...alone and in the dark...having revealed to no, one person,where they are hiding.
Imagine if a third party actually did win the presidency. With the Congress still in Democratic/Republican hands nothing would change.
Third party is fairytale thinking.
Yes, I agree. Facts matter. We don't need to be tilting at windmills.
super8dandelion is a troll.
Yes, but she provides a good backboard for practicing low, sliced, over the net cross court verbal returns...?
"A Harris presidency will slow and might stop our slide into the abyss."
Which abyss would that be? The abyss of literally funding and co-authoring a genocide? Too late: Harris and Biden actually took us over the brink into that abyss.
Or perhaps you're talking about the abyss of climate catastrophe? Again, Biden and Harris have ensured that catastrophic environmental devastation continues full-speed in the US and globally.
If you vote for Harris, you are voting for genocide, which is voting for mass murder, and voting for planetary destruction. Claiming that any vote other than a vote for mass murder and planetary destruction is "a wasted vote"--I hardly even know how to characterize that claim. Morally bankrupt, for one. It is unsatisfactory to claim, "A Harris vote is a vote for less genocide and less planetary destruction than a vote for Trump." No humane person should vote for any genocide or any planetary destruction.
There are candidates who, in contrast, fully oppose genocide, planetary destruction, fascistic xenophobia, and profiteering on the backs of workers, candidates who instead support providing people with housing, health care, and education, who support stopping bellicose, imperialistic US foreign policy and redirecting grotesque military spending to meet the needs of people here and abroad. World hunger could be ended immediately with a fraction of the US military budget. We have candidates who promote this. Their names are not Harris or Trump. When you rule out those candidates, you rule out justice. If those candidates receive only 2-10% of the vote, it's because people like you did not vote for them. You have a choice, despite what Democrats want you to believe.
As you have the abyss pretty much understood...I am on your side. What is your plan to convince 200 MM voters to do your bidding within the next week to 2 weeks?
I make a living solving problems. I have worked for, with, and sometimes along side the best of the best leaders within big business and government for the last 50+ years.
Bernie failed at his best shot convention debacle. Carter failed while under attack from political and financial fronts that in my opinion were in most cases insidious.
I have met with Democratic party members and provided them with what I felt was a reasonable pathway and no one was enthusiastic. It would take time and require too much effort. Everyone expects/wants things to happen immediately. History has taught us it doesn't, with the exception of declarations oif war and other major disasters.
So what is your plan? Remember 200MM in less than 2 weeks. If you can't provide those kind of results, and too many others put together a protest vote (which isn't going to evolve from the MAGA contingent) there won't be enough votes to keep Trump from becoming our country's first dictator.
SO...What is your plan, because I don't have one at the moment. And remember, I am a seasoned, successful, professional problem solver and have thought and worked on this issue/problem for many years. But I also believe that there is... a solution to every problem...and it is out there...and it doesn't have to come from me.
SO...what is your realistic and practical solution which avoids another TRUMP presidency?
Voting for Claudia De la Cruz? Hahaha! Right. Like she is going to win. super8dandlion is advocating a vote for Trump. That's the bottom line.
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Thanks for this reply.
I do not share your framing of the situation in at least three respects.
First, you begin and end with the assertion that the imperative of the moment is to avoid another Trump presidency. While a Trump presidency would be a red alert situation, it is also the case that a Harris presidency would be a red alert situation, just as the Biden presidency already is. There is no distinction between genocide and genocide.
Second, you seem to assert that the only worthwhile course of action is one that will yield complete success in two weeks, implying that any efforts that would not achieve this are not worth joining. Building a mass movement to defeat capitalist imperialism--which is the only way to end genocide, end planetary destruction, and end the mass exploitation of workers around the globe--will not be accomplished in the next two weeks. It is an effort which has been over a century in the making, and it will take some more time. That it will not reach fruition in the next two weeks is no excuse, in my view, for not continuing to contribute to it in any and all ways that we can.
This flows into my third difference in how to frame the situation: only collective efforts will be successful. Devising or engineering a plan as a lone individual, let alone attempting to execute that plan as an individual, will not work. This is why continuing to build and strengthen the mass movement is necessary. Electoral politics may be leveraged to assist with this and may be considered productive even if the candidate does not win because the movement has continued to grow, and likely to grow exponentially, which is what is needed for the longer project of justice.
Electing Harris does nothing to advance that project. That is why I am voting for Claudia De la Cruz.
That's an option this country affords you this time...if Trump gets into office you may not have an option to vote for anyone other than who Trump or crew wants/allows you to vote for. Russian voting as an example.
Voting third party is a great idea on paper, but it's a disaster in reality. Robert F. Kennedy's main purpose - whether he knew it or not - was to suck Biden votes and tip the scales to Trump. Mega Trump financiers also financed RFK Jr.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/17/timothy-mellon-donor-trump-rfk/
hopefully many people understand that fact.
Joy in HK, you wrote: "We could actually attempt to change that narrative, and trajectory, by voting third party." Not going to happen. With such a close election, the most probable outcome from voting for a third party candidate would, more likely, put in Donald Trump back in the WH. Do you really want that? Protest votes for third parties have never and will never elevate one of them to the status of the two main parties.
For an excellent history of U.S. third parties, read this article from Mother Jones: "Frustrated by the two-party system? Polling shows you’re not alone, with more Americans than ever supporting the idea of a third party. But the winner of November’s presidential election will be either Biden or Trump, and voters weighing other candidates need to consider if a protest vote to end the duopoly might instead help end our democracy. In the May+June 2024 issue, we examine the past and present of third-party outsiders, and how they could upend this year’s race." https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/04/third-party-timeline/
Third party is unfortunately not viable without run-off elections. (Instant runoff would not be difficult with today's computerized tabulators).
Hard part would be educating the voting populace; hardest part would be getting politicians to vote themselves out of the cushy two party system.
Perhaps after the country is in a desperate state that might happen, where as historically those in power, when things fall apart and we are on the edge of a revolution for survival...,the establishment players, come up with the money, time, and concern to save their power and asses, by giving back just enough to keep the masses quelled. Search Mercedes before and after WWII and all the major industrial players of all the war faring countries before and after the war. Check out their behavior up to this day. Keeping the masses entertained with video games, sports, betting, and alcohol, along wit allowing them access to the rick of playing stocks on the internet and cryptocurrency, and keeping them out of participation leadership decisions, keeps them wholly unaware of the greater reality of who controls their lives with policies designed to concentrate wealth and power to the worlds 1%. This 1 % pay great attention and dollars to manipulate the worlds population in order to maintain control and their cash flow.
I found a typo, Henry. Your sentence should read, "Hamas and Hezbollah have now opened the door to just how insidious warfare can become."
I stand corrected although ...There is a distinction in levels of insidiousness, to purposely use everyday passive household items, en masse, to wipe out civilians and/or militants, a perceived enemy. It challenges the safety of everything that everyone considers to be safe, for everyday use, every where in the world. But/and... you are correct when you say that they all are responsible for reprehensible behavior. As a species we never seem to share enough education or truth to end the cycle of human tragedy.
Appears that as long as TRUMP, cronies, & GOP make money-- the press nor anyone else in power cares.
I'd rather focus on the poll - at this point - as opposed to the serious issues of mass deportation. More than half the country, including a quarter of the Democrats, is OK with it? What kind of racist, xenophobic BS is this? And in Springfield, the legal Haitian immigrants - "oh, no, we didn't mean those" - who are in Springfield because they were wooed with the promise of jobs - are the first for the round up? People, many of whom believe in a deity, should take a hard look at themselves.
I say racist but also selfish and dumb. Blaming society’s ills is not limited to white people. I know some immigrants who are now citizens are also major Trumpers. They have undocumented relatives for some time but still cannot muster any sympathy for their fellow immigrants.
The media nor the Dems never mentions/discusses the one main reason for the anti-immigrant hate, mass deportation, etc. The ONE thing that drives it all, and it's the most VISIBLY obvious. It's the one thing the people they are targeting, whether here legally or not, have in common.
Hint: it starts with "r" and ends in "ism." The right has a particular "theory" about it, too, which used to be one of the quiet things but MAGA congress people have talked about it, as does a fascist owner of a huge, yet declining social media platform.
Definitely I do agree.
It's become increasingly clear just how much of our current political predicament is the result of the corporate media narrative. What's less clear is how to break through the wall of misinformation. MSNBC and a small list of Substack writers seem to be but a drip in the firehose...a critical drip that needs to be magnified somehow.
You do herculean work and this sentence you wrote said it best: " But the results of the poll tell us less about the actual views of American voters, and more about the overall failure of the media and others to educate citizens on what exactly Trump’s plans for mass deportation entail. " Besides you how do we get the media to act properly? As always thank you...
Would warm the hearts of Hitler brownshirts if they were revived from their damnable rest in Hell. Scary for immigrants and should be to all right-thinking citizens. To the odd brand of co-opted Christianity a reminder from Jesus: Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do.
Who comes next in the roundup?
Ed, this is even scary for a 2nd generation US born person with a Latina name. I've been treated to extra screenings at passport control when re-entering the US from overseas travel. I honestly do fear the rise in temperature caused by the vitriol and racism.
His deportation plan should be called what it is: the makings of an Hispanic Holocaust. (This was why Trump was speaking yesterday in copland, Nassau Country; he's ginning up his future Gestapo.) Because the millions kidnapped and put in camps will not be deported if they are able-bodied. They will be, like people in jails, rented out to corporations to earn their keep, which is how Trump will justify the costs of the programs, just as many of Nazis camps were "work camps" where people were worked to death. Prison labor has already had huge economic effects because it is essentially slavery. Enslaving Hispanics will make that effect seem tiny.
Also, who will build this infrastructure? The Nazis didn't build their camps or gas chamber trucks, etc. They put it all out to bid. Which department will handle these bids, which companies will build the camps, which states will offer to host the camps, and what consultants (such as McKinsey) will advise everyone involved? We know Palantir will be the company to provide the data management, the IBM of this Holocaust. The irony, of course, will be that the kidnapped and enslaved Hispanics will be forced to build the camps themselves, many likely having construction skills. There might be a story in how these camps will compare to those built to imprison innocent Japanese-Americans during WWII.
There's another story in how this will affect businesses and schools, who will likely be made complicit being forced to hand over any suspected undocumented workers. I would go to, say, the big carmakers, construction companies and ag businesses, and ask what their deportation plans are and how will the lose of these workers affect their businesses.
Excellent points. There will indeed be a forced labor component, especially since that comports with this nation’s “history & tradition” (as used by SCOTUS).
Note that real penalties for employers who hire undocumented workers are absent from the diatribe. Also, where will the millions be deported TO?
Shoot: I forgot healthcare institutions, especially assisted living facilities.
They may start with “brown people from other countries,” but trumpanzees on the rampage will be the new SS and Brown Shirts—no one will be safe. NO ONE. And those so-called, “independents” closeting their bigotry with claims of “impartiality” will readily join the fascists. This country has not addressed the FACT of TREASON and homegrown TERRORISTS. We have allowed tRump to pollute all this democracy ever stood for; he IS a stochastic terrorist. He should have been locked up. . .
Has anyone noticed? While tRump flies around in Jeffrey Epstein’s former plane (a transferral of ownership between working partners), the famous Black sex offender remains in a NYC jail without bail. . . Sex offender and trafficker, Matt Gaetz, is free as a bird, too, and his charges of murdering a roommate miraculously disappeared.
Where Repug Fascism is concerned, Justice doesn’t exist. Not anywhere, not ever.
Trump would also encourage and perhaps form an army of Klan, militias and Karens to assist with his diabolical plans.
Yes, an army like this would attract exactly the wrong sort of people you would want to give power to. A uniform, weaponry, and "immunity" to treat (brown) people however they want. This proposal really is sickening.
I’m interested in seeing the role that the prison industrial complex plays in shaping and promoting this policy. Big $ collected by a reprehensible industry at the expense of American taxpayers and the American economy. I bet Judd will make those connections, if relevant, in future pieces.
Too bad Trump governs in "concepts" and not real ideas! Plus he's not a sane rational person, nor is his Veep pick! Yes, we have an immigration problem, but the way to fix it is by LAWS, NOT MASS DEPORTATION! Just another Hitlerian/fascist call to power from DJ/JD! Let's just hope American voters are realistic and don't elect this cabal in November!
Trump can only speak in "concepts," because he can no longer string together ideas and rational thoughts in the ways required to formulate a plan. We can visualize the inside of his head as an old fashioned pinball machine wherein there's no exit, and the ball continuously ricochets around. Each electronic bumper the bouncing ball hits causes him to pop out one of his old favorites (mostly from his 2016 campaign), then the solenoid is triggered and he bounces to another thought or phrase. New phrases may enter the lexicon from time to time, but none of it has anything to do with anything else. The flippers may be triggered by certain thoughts and phrases he hears from others, but essentially, when it comes to logical thinking strategizing, and planning for his campaign or the government he would run there's "no there, there," no connection of one thing to another, no 2+2=4, no logical progression just this random ricocheting around of his thoughts as if they were triggered by a bouncing pinball. (Some of those who have experienced the advancing dementia of close relatives will recognize the pattern.)
When will the media acknowledge that Trump is lying when he says there are 20 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.?
I became an immigration attorney in 1999 and the number was 11 million. And every year since then that official number was/is still 11 million.
Makes you wonder if we really have an open border.
I’d like for you to explain the correlation between deportation and American job loss. Article stated for every million deportations there would be 880,000 losses of jobs for citizens. The prospect of him being elected and actually attempting mass deportation is horrifying.
We've been given a great deal of math by the women reporting for POPULAR INFORMATION but please get the numbers right. It was 88,000 losses of jobs for every million deported.