Walgreens, one of the nation's largest pharmacy chains, announced that it will not dispense abortion pills in at least 10 states where abortion remains legal.
Do any among us think that Walgreens will act alone? It is only a matter of time before CVS, WalMart and all of the other big chains follow suit. Why? Because none of them want to incur the wrath of the Republican right wing. And why can they do this? Where are people going to go? The big chains have all but wiped out the independent pharmacy. If they all act together, there is no point in shifting your business from Walgreens to one of the others. And they know it. What will be the end result? Do any of us think that some bullshit interpretation of the Comstock Act is going to stop activist groups and others from mailing pills across state lines? And do any of us think that the Mexican cartels aren't already ramping up their networks to fill the demand in states that have banned abortion? As we all say, the zealots will never end abortion, they will only end safe access to abortion.
In NY mifepristone is still being dispensed in pharmacies. If you want to boycott Walgreens anyway, that's great. It's about punishing greedy chains like Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid and others who operate in any state where mifepristone is banned or restricted.
I live in a little town in northwest IL, population 7600. We have 2 independent pharmacies in town. They exist in almost every little community around me and they do well. Closest CVS or Walgreens are in a town that is 22 miles away.
Walgreen's annual shareholder's meeting is March 16-19. Probably in the Chicago area. Excellent timing for a demonstration to complement a boycott, so I hope something is in the works.
Rule #1 in Timothy Snyder’s On Tyranny: Do not obey in advance. That’s what Walgreen’s is doing. We cannot expect for profit corporations to help us keep our freedoms.
Kick these GOP assholes out. Should have been done years ago, but there were enough idiots in the electoral college to put a Republican in the Oval Office in 2016. What a disaster, and it's getting worse.
It's OK. There are plenty of people like you, and many who just happen to live in places where there are a limited number of pharmacies to patronize.
If there is a hospital with a pharmacy close to you, can you get your meds through them?
I use Walgreens, but to be honest, all the corporate pharmacies have been complicit in helping the GOP's agenda along, by corporate donations to the RNC, among other PACS.
My Medicare Advantage is from an insurer that partners with CVS, but there is no CVS in my vicinity. CVS has been very supportive of the GOP and its agenda. I could be getting vitamins, supplements, herbals and more from them for free, but I won't. I think I'm going to be switching to the pharmacy services offered by a regional supermarket chain instead. I don't buy anything from Walgreens other than my prescriptions.
Random thoughts: If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Do unto others... Keep em' barefoot AND pregnant?! RAGA=MAGA! Why can't these people just mind their own *(&*^%&*() business????
What fool is it claiming that in California, you can wait until late term and "then chop em’ up?"
How do folks get to be so dirt damn dumb? That claim is crayon chewingly stupid and I wonder about the intellect of the poster.
Wait! This just in! The poster is the execrable FL Wonder FL. No need to wonder now about the state of their supposed "intellect." You can see for yourself what state it's in.
Or have a "late term abortion"? That's illegal, always has been. They don't have 2 collective brain cells amongst them. Amazing that they can walk and talk at the same time when they're so incredibly stupid. Crayon chewing about sums it up.
Re "late term abortion" ex Governor of VA Northam who was also a doctor who delivered babies, understood that an unborn child without a brain or some other important physical function would be a candidate for very late term abortion. He made a point of discussing this issue "civilly."
Hahahaha! And that execrable menace in his own mind, Frank Lee is one of the f-ing WORST trolls ever!!! I mean it. He is a bad troll. In a "like not very good one kinda sense." Like, trolling poorly. As poorly as tfg dances. Can you imagine the orange scourge breakdancing or stepping or something? The Rumba?
Anyway, he (who probably shouldn't have been named on general principles and good taste), may try to (in his mind anyway) excoriate me for my negative but laser focused and accurate analysis of the enitity posing as Frank Lee's foibles, but bear witness to his/her/it's/that damnable thing's weaknesses.
A Pomerian poorly posturing as a Pit Bull. Unsuccessfully I may add. Nasty possum too.
Dump Walgreens. Where are the progressive pro choice organizations? Where are the pro choice women? Where are the pro choice men ? Where are the clever entrepreneurs who can always find “work around” ? Where is the progressive outrage ? We way beyond our sell by dates are baffled. Large demonstrations. Public assembly in front of Walgreen’s headquarters and stores.
Where is the "complexity," Walgreens? You're trying to avoid a potential lawsuit.
I'm not sure if Walgreens is doing this merely out of cowardice or because it is also inclined to acquiesce to a prospective restriction on abortion-inducing drugs because it materially supports RAGA, but either way, it sets a bad precedent.
They want the GOP to keep prescription drug costs high. It's about money. We pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. I just found out that the drug I take for my blood pressure costs $331 a month without insurance - for the generic. Walk into any Walgreens (I went to one in November for a covid booster) or CVS, and you won't see shoppers or even a cashier. Why? Because they make their money off prescriptions, not shampoo or frozen pizzas.
I has 19 prescriptions that I take on a daily basis. One costs $7K per MONTH! Another a comparitively modest $1K per month. That's $136K per year for 2 meds that are so expensive that I qualify for a program.
So how does this work then? The insurer is billed by the pharmacy and the hospital while collecting premiums from individuals and employers. The insurer pays out whopping sums while collecting relatively miniscule premiums, yet they also record record profits every year or, so it seems. But in my case, the insurer and pharmacy are distinctly different faces of the same business entity! So how does that incestuous business relationship work?
I have no idea of how much a double lung transplant costs, but I can tell you they ain't cheap. This is a curious situation, but I'm glad to be alive, no matter the machinations, the why's and wherefores involved.
And I am of the mind that we need a much better understanding of those why's and wherefores (transparancy) of our countries' healthcare behemoth suppurating in our midst, in addition to a much more robust and superior healthcare system in general!!!
Walgreen's isn't satisfied with taking away women's rights regarding their bodies, they now have taken away their voice by blocking comments on the Facebook page. You can still message them, however. I sent them this post, for example.
So how does this square with the insurance companies Walgreens has contracted with (in TX it’s BCBS, I don’t know about other states)? The ACA? I feel like maybe something isn’t kosher in the Venn diagram where all this meets. But I don’t know enough about the intricacy of the contracts or Obamacare to state that confidently. What I do know is state governments are playing extremely cruel games in the name of religion and somehow I don’t think that is at all what Jesus would’ve wanted. And it’s certainly not what a majority, 68% at last poll, of the country wants.
No skin off Walgreens or the other corporate US pharmaceutical sellers who depend on the GOP to keep prescription drug prices the highest in the world. One hand washes the other - and these companies will always place profits over Americans' health.
Yes, but in my state I can boycott the local Walgreens and make my voice heard. I’m 85 so I’m not afraid of getting pregnant any time soon 🤓 but, like you, I care about all women who are threatened by this action.
Meanwhile in blue states like California you can wait until full term and then chop em’ up.
Not supportive of either extreme, but we are a republic and democracy tends to reflect the moral values of the residents of the states. However, Dems have the advantage of the upset female vote and their massive media bias thumb on scale. If they cannot move the needle in reducing restrictions in these states, well then the people have spoken.
The Execrable One suggested that "You should learn honey to stick to the topic..."
So, is "honey" now a language? Brings new meaning to the phrase "honeyed words" eh? Too bad FL doesn't know any, so we have to go elsewhere for those. For smarts too.
FL mistakenly strives for authoritarian style superiority and in doing so, achieves the highest levels of ineffective inferiority known to man. Yet he/she/it/that damned thing, persists.
Yet another example of a nasty female response. You should learn honey to stick to the topic instead of showing us your mean girl stripe. Talk about eight years old.
I am defining as female today. So I can call Brenda a bi _ _ _ as she behaved like one. She failed to comment on the topic and went personal. But she seems a big girl. Does she really need your help, or are you just trying to make up for your general lack of appeal to the defined female cisgender population?
LOL That's illegal, you stupid twit. What a naive, uneducated response that deserves a huge belly laugh for being so absurd because you actually believe it! Did DeSantass tell you that after he told you how to think what to do and how to do it? Wake tf up, I agree with Brenda. Uneducated hooey. She said HOOEY, learn to read.
No, it is not illegal because any pregnant woman in CA can find a clinic that with activists that will sign off that she is at risk and approve an abortion up to full-term. And in Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, New Jersey, Vermont and DC, there are no limits on the term. These are all blue states.
Don't believe every meme or video you see on Facebook.
"CLAIM: California’s Proposition 1 will change the state’s constitution to allow taxpayer-funded abortions up to the moment of birth, regardless of the health of the mother.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. Existing state-subsidized health programs cover abortion services for qualifying patients and these would not be modified by Proposition 1. The amendment does not mention prohibiting or allowing abortions late in pregnancy. But state law already restricts third-trimester abortions, and California legal experts told The Associated Press they don’t expect courts would interpret the amendment as expressly permitting them.
The amendment language put forward by Proposition 1 does not spell out which, if any, types of abortions would still be prohibited. But the courts wouldn’t interpret the amendment as an “absolute right” to any abortion in any circumstance, as they would still take existing law into account, said Kimberly West-Faulcon, a constitutional law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
California already prohibits most abortions after fetal viability, defined in state law as the point during a pregnancy at which there is “a reasonable likelihood of the fetus’ sustained survival outside the uterus.” Abortions after this point are now illegal unless the mother’s health or life is at risk.
“These horrible hypotheticals just are not accurate, because the behavior being described, if someone engaged in it, I think would be criminal. And for many reasons, I think the California Supreme Court would deem it criminal, too,” she said."
From NPR;
"Doctors who consulted on the amendment were following the lead of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the leading advisory group for OB-GYNs, which removed the term viability from its guidance on abortion in May. The group explained that the term has become so politicized that it barely has any medical meaning anymore, and deciding whether and when to have an abortion should be left to the patient and doctor.
Strangely, the demise of Roe v. Wade has freed doctors from the vagaries of the viability framework, as it was outlined in that ruling.
"In a world where there is no Roe, I think you're seeing California legislators trying to write into law a kind of blank slate, a better idea of what reproductive autonomy could be that isn't just Roe Part 2," Ziegler says.
Why women get abortions later in pregnancy
In recent years, at least three other states — Colorado, New Jersey, and Vermont — and Washington, D.C., have removed gestational age limits from their abortion laws."
Has nothing to do with Facebook, and after reading what you posted I don't see that you have refuted my original point. You just did a Google search attempting to satiate your confirmation bias with hypothetical arguments against hypothetical points... but the fact is that clinics are authorized to perform abortions in CA and it is easy for any pregnant woman to get approved for a late-term abortion.
And the process of late-term abortion is to remove the fetus in pieces.
And seven blue states including Oregon have zero term limits on abortion.
They don't remove in pieces. How could anyone be so blatantly stupid to think that? Have you been there, in the room? If no, stfu. No doctor would do that. Good lord, they induce the pregnancy when needed. Don't you know any women? Don't you pay attention to anything? Did you hear about the couple from FL that found out their much wanted baby wouldn't survive outside the womb? No amniotic fluid and no kidneys. They made the difficult decision to abort. But because of FL laws, doctors were afraid to do an abortion. Afraid! To do their damn job because of DeSantass and people like you. She was forced to carry to term. Do you pro-abortion people pay the hospital bills for mother and baby and subsequent funeral costs? What about the couple from TX that found out 1 of the twins she was carrying had a terrible condition where it would either die in utero and put the other twin and her in jeopardy, or because of the condition both twins would die before birth. Was she to do nothing and carry dead babies and die herself? She traveled to Colorado for a selective abortion. TX doctors wouldn't help her. Do you honestly think this ONE twin was sucked out? If she stayed and both babies died, a D&C wouldn't have been done. Abbott and people like you. Would you pay for her funeral? What about the woman who had a miscarriage and almost died because doctors in TX wouldn't preform a simple D&C? Are you pro-abortion people paying for any of this? Of course you're not. Ectopic pregnancies are far more common than you think and need medical intervention. Under your draconian laws medical intervention isn't allowed. Medical intervention. Isn't allowed. Let that sink in. Medical intervention. Not allowed. Governors and some people would rather you die. But out their asses call themselves prolife. No. Anything but.
All YOU want is to spew your schitt and feel good about yourselves because you're forcing women (and some husbands) to DO AS YOU SAY. You all are a sickening bunch of pro-abortion people that need to STOP calling yourselves Pro-life because you're anything but. You're a bunch of fascists pigs that are only happy when people do as you say when you say. Sorry I won't jump when you say.
Notice the stupid twat known as "Frank Lee Feckless Troll" had absolutely NO rebuttal. There is good reason for that. Bloody loser ole FL is. What a waste of space, air and good food.
Yes. Abortion is legal in California. However, abortion is restricted in California and other states. Right now, abortion is legal in California until "viability," which is the stage of pregnancy when a fetus has developed enough that it is able to survive outside the uterus with medical help. It usually happens around 24 to 26 weeks of pregnancy. To figure out how far along you are in pregnancy, count from the first day of your last period.
Offered until “viability” — usually sometime between 24 to 26 weeks
If you're in California and need an abortion
If your pregnancy is at or past the stage of "viability," you'll need to travel out of California to get an abortion unless you qualify for an exception. Exceptions are very limited and include:
To save the pregnant person's life
To preserve the pregnant person's general health (can include mental health).
Viability is the stage of pregnancy when a fetus has developed enough that it is able to survive outside the uterus with medical help. It usually happens around 24 to 26 weeks of pregnancy, but it depends on how the fetus is developing and can be different for every pregnancy. A health care provider can determine whether a pregnancy has reached viability.
It’s legal for you to leave California and get an abortion out of state.
Keep in mind that some states require a waiting period. This means you may have to schedule one appointment for a counseling session, then wait a required amount of time before having your abortion appointment.
If you’re younger than age 18, consider that many states require you to get permission from a parent or guardian to get an abortion. If you plan to travel to a state that requires the involvement of a parent or guardian and you need to avoid that, you could see if you're eligible to get a judicial bypass. For more information about getting a judicial bypass, contact the If/When/How Judicial Bypass (JB) Helpline. To contact the JB Helpline, call 844-868-2812 or submit a request online.
Do any among us think that Walgreens will act alone? It is only a matter of time before CVS, WalMart and all of the other big chains follow suit. Why? Because none of them want to incur the wrath of the Republican right wing. And why can they do this? Where are people going to go? The big chains have all but wiped out the independent pharmacy. If they all act together, there is no point in shifting your business from Walgreens to one of the others. And they know it. What will be the end result? Do any of us think that some bullshit interpretation of the Comstock Act is going to stop activist groups and others from mailing pills across state lines? And do any of us think that the Mexican cartels aren't already ramping up their networks to fill the demand in states that have banned abortion? As we all say, the zealots will never end abortion, they will only end safe access to abortion.
Switching to our regional New England based supermarket pharmacy.
You are lucky to have that option. Even here in NY options are very limited.
In NY mifepristone is still being dispensed in pharmacies. If you want to boycott Walgreens anyway, that's great. It's about punishing greedy chains like Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid and others who operate in any state where mifepristone is banned or restricted.
I live in a little town in northwest IL, population 7600. We have 2 independent pharmacies in town. They exist in almost every little community around me and they do well. Closest CVS or Walgreens are in a town that is 22 miles away.
That's great. My Father was an independent pharmacist. You are lucky not to have to endure the "one on every corner" situation.
Walgreen's annual shareholder's meeting is March 16-19. Probably in the Chicago area. Excellent timing for a demonstration to complement a boycott, so I hope something is in the works.
Rule #1 in Timothy Snyder’s On Tyranny: Do not obey in advance. That’s what Walgreen’s is doing. We cannot expect for profit corporations to help us keep our freedoms.
We can damage their
Profits. They are capitalists.
Boycott Walgreens and any other company that prohibits women from making their own decisions about when to carry a child.
Boycott hospitals?
Kick these GOP assholes out. Should have been done years ago, but there were enough idiots in the electoral college to put a Republican in the Oval Office in 2016. What a disaster, and it's getting worse.
I wish I could but they provide many of my specialty transplant meds. They got me by the shorties.
You can still reach their corporate offices and express your disagreement with their policy.
It's OK. There are plenty of people like you, and many who just happen to live in places where there are a limited number of pharmacies to patronize.
If there is a hospital with a pharmacy close to you, can you get your meds through them?
I use Walgreens, but to be honest, all the corporate pharmacies have been complicit in helping the GOP's agenda along, by corporate donations to the RNC, among other PACS.
Problem is Aetna is my insurer and Aetna was recently "absorbed" by CVS/Rite Aid.
My Medicare Advantage is from an insurer that partners with CVS, but there is no CVS in my vicinity. CVS has been very supportive of the GOP and its agenda. I could be getting vitamins, supplements, herbals and more from them for free, but I won't. I think I'm going to be switching to the pharmacy services offered by a regional supermarket chain instead. I don't buy anything from Walgreens other than my prescriptions.
Random thoughts: If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Do unto others... Keep em' barefoot AND pregnant?! RAGA=MAGA! Why can't these people just mind their own *(&*^%&*() business????
What fool is it claiming that in California, you can wait until late term and "then chop em’ up?"
How do folks get to be so dirt damn dumb? That claim is crayon chewingly stupid and I wonder about the intellect of the poster.
Wait! This just in! The poster is the execrable FL Wonder FL. No need to wonder now about the state of their supposed "intellect." You can see for yourself what state it's in.
Or have a "late term abortion"? That's illegal, always has been. They don't have 2 collective brain cells amongst them. Amazing that they can walk and talk at the same time when they're so incredibly stupid. Crayon chewing about sums it up.
Re "late term abortion" ex Governor of VA Northam who was also a doctor who delivered babies, understood that an unborn child without a brain or some other important physical function would be a candidate for very late term abortion. He made a point of discussing this issue "civilly."
Facts and logic beat illogic and ignorance every time.
To be informed is to be armed!
Hahahaha! And that execrable menace in his own mind, Frank Lee is one of the f-ing WORST trolls ever!!! I mean it. He is a bad troll. In a "like not very good one kinda sense." Like, trolling poorly. As poorly as tfg dances. Can you imagine the orange scourge breakdancing or stepping or something? The Rumba?
Anyway, he (who probably shouldn't have been named on general principles and good taste), may try to (in his mind anyway) excoriate me for my negative but laser focused and accurate analysis of the enitity posing as Frank Lee's foibles, but bear witness to his/her/it's/that damnable thing's weaknesses.
A Pomerian poorly posturing as a Pit Bull. Unsuccessfully I may add. Nasty possum too.
Dump Walgreens. Where are the progressive pro choice organizations? Where are the pro choice women? Where are the pro choice men ? Where are the clever entrepreneurs who can always find “work around” ? Where is the progressive outrage ? We way beyond our sell by dates are baffled. Large demonstrations. Public assembly in front of Walgreen’s headquarters and stores.
Where is the "complexity," Walgreens? You're trying to avoid a potential lawsuit.
I'm not sure if Walgreens is doing this merely out of cowardice or because it is also inclined to acquiesce to a prospective restriction on abortion-inducing drugs because it materially supports RAGA, but either way, it sets a bad precedent.
They want the GOP to keep prescription drug costs high. It's about money. We pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. I just found out that the drug I take for my blood pressure costs $331 a month without insurance - for the generic. Walk into any Walgreens (I went to one in November for a covid booster) or CVS, and you won't see shoppers or even a cashier. Why? Because they make their money off prescriptions, not shampoo or frozen pizzas.
I has 19 prescriptions that I take on a daily basis. One costs $7K per MONTH! Another a comparitively modest $1K per month. That's $136K per year for 2 meds that are so expensive that I qualify for a program.
So how does this work then? The insurer is billed by the pharmacy and the hospital while collecting premiums from individuals and employers. The insurer pays out whopping sums while collecting relatively miniscule premiums, yet they also record record profits every year or, so it seems. But in my case, the insurer and pharmacy are distinctly different faces of the same business entity! So how does that incestuous business relationship work?
I have no idea of how much a double lung transplant costs, but I can tell you they ain't cheap. This is a curious situation, but I'm glad to be alive, no matter the machinations, the why's and wherefores involved.
And I am of the mind that we need a much better understanding of those why's and wherefores (transparancy) of our countries' healthcare behemoth suppurating in our midst, in addition to a much more robust and superior healthcare system in general!!!
To be fair, their other prices are quite inflated.
Bravo, Judd. Call them out. I switched to an independent pharmacy several months ago. Walgreens and CVS are both entirely too powerful
Plus, CVS recently "absorbed" Aetna insurance. Think on that for a moment.
Walgreen's isn't satisfied with taking away women's rights regarding their bodies, they now have taken away their voice by blocking comments on the Facebook page. You can still message them, however. I sent them this post, for example.
So how does this square with the insurance companies Walgreens has contracted with (in TX it’s BCBS, I don’t know about other states)? The ACA? I feel like maybe something isn’t kosher in the Venn diagram where all this meets. But I don’t know enough about the intricacy of the contracts or Obamacare to state that confidently. What I do know is state governments are playing extremely cruel games in the name of religion and somehow I don’t think that is at all what Jesus would’ve wanted. And it’s certainly not what a majority, 68% at last poll, of the country wants.
No skin off Walgreens or the other corporate US pharmaceutical sellers who depend on the GOP to keep prescription drug prices the highest in the world. One hand washes the other - and these companies will always place profits over Americans' health.
Thank you for continuing to report actions taken by businesses against of the public’s health and welfare--and majority opinion!
Can you please supply the states in which Walgreens will not distribute the pills?
A blow against women in any state threatens all women.
Yes, but in my state I can boycott the local Walgreens and make my voice heard. I’m 85 so I’m not afraid of getting pregnant any time soon 🤓 but, like you, I care about all women who are threatened by this action.
I too am WAY past the age, but support all women and their rights.
Lucy,
On Michael Moore’s Substack (https://open.substack.com/pub/michaelmoore/p/boycott-walgreens?r=8cint&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post) he has a list of all of the states as well as copies of the letters sent by the Attorneys General.
This decision will directly harm type two diabetics with Cushing's syndrome. How very pro life of them.
Meanwhile in blue states like California you can wait until full term and then chop em’ up.
Not supportive of either extreme, but we are a republic and democracy tends to reflect the moral values of the residents of the states. However, Dems have the advantage of the upset female vote and their massive media bias thumb on scale. If they cannot move the needle in reducing restrictions in these states, well then the people have spoken.
What a bunch of uneducated hooey. Are you eight years old?
The Execrable One suggested that "You should learn honey to stick to the topic..."
So, is "honey" now a language? Brings new meaning to the phrase "honeyed words" eh? Too bad FL doesn't know any, so we have to go elsewhere for those. For smarts too.
FL mistakenly strives for authoritarian style superiority and in doing so, achieves the highest levels of ineffective inferiority known to man. Yet he/she/it/that damned thing, persists.
Yet another example of a nasty female response. You should learn honey to stick to the topic instead of showing us your mean girl stripe. Talk about eight years old.
I’m a nasty female alright and I am entitled to my opinion. Deal with it, incel.
Good to read that you know your real identity and place. Do you have a place to hide for the evolving woke purge?
I am obviously not hiding. Are you threatening me?
Nonetheless less you are still uneducated and alone.
MBA and happily married. Celebrating 40 years this month. My life is fantastic filled with loving family and friends. I am sorry yours is not.
I am defining as female today. So I can call Brenda a bi _ _ _ as she behaved like one. She failed to comment on the topic and went personal. But she seems a big girl. Does she really need your help, or are you just trying to make up for your general lack of appeal to the defined female cisgender population?
Poor baby. The mean old lady hurt your widdle feelings?
LOL. I have no feelings as I am a registered Republican. You should know that.
You reprehensible asshole. There, I said it.
Others here agree. Heartily.
LOL That's illegal, you stupid twit. What a naive, uneducated response that deserves a huge belly laugh for being so absurd because you actually believe it! Did DeSantass tell you that after he told you how to think what to do and how to do it? Wake tf up, I agree with Brenda. Uneducated hooey. She said HOOEY, learn to read.
No, it is not illegal because any pregnant woman in CA can find a clinic that with activists that will sign off that she is at risk and approve an abortion up to full-term. And in Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, New Jersey, Vermont and DC, there are no limits on the term. These are all blue states.
Talk about a stupid twit.
Don't believe every meme or video you see on Facebook.
"CLAIM: California’s Proposition 1 will change the state’s constitution to allow taxpayer-funded abortions up to the moment of birth, regardless of the health of the mother.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. Existing state-subsidized health programs cover abortion services for qualifying patients and these would not be modified by Proposition 1. The amendment does not mention prohibiting or allowing abortions late in pregnancy. But state law already restricts third-trimester abortions, and California legal experts told The Associated Press they don’t expect courts would interpret the amendment as expressly permitting them.
The amendment language put forward by Proposition 1 does not spell out which, if any, types of abortions would still be prohibited. But the courts wouldn’t interpret the amendment as an “absolute right” to any abortion in any circumstance, as they would still take existing law into account, said Kimberly West-Faulcon, a constitutional law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
California already prohibits most abortions after fetal viability, defined in state law as the point during a pregnancy at which there is “a reasonable likelihood of the fetus’ sustained survival outside the uterus.” Abortions after this point are now illegal unless the mother’s health or life is at risk.
“These horrible hypotheticals just are not accurate, because the behavior being described, if someone engaged in it, I think would be criminal. And for many reasons, I think the California Supreme Court would deem it criminal, too,” she said."
From NPR;
"Doctors who consulted on the amendment were following the lead of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the leading advisory group for OB-GYNs, which removed the term viability from its guidance on abortion in May. The group explained that the term has become so politicized that it barely has any medical meaning anymore, and deciding whether and when to have an abortion should be left to the patient and doctor.
Strangely, the demise of Roe v. Wade has freed doctors from the vagaries of the viability framework, as it was outlined in that ruling.
"In a world where there is no Roe, I think you're seeing California legislators trying to write into law a kind of blank slate, a better idea of what reproductive autonomy could be that isn't just Roe Part 2," Ziegler says.
Why women get abortions later in pregnancy
In recent years, at least three other states — Colorado, New Jersey, and Vermont — and Washington, D.C., have removed gestational age limits from their abortion laws."
Has nothing to do with Facebook, and after reading what you posted I don't see that you have refuted my original point. You just did a Google search attempting to satiate your confirmation bias with hypothetical arguments against hypothetical points... but the fact is that clinics are authorized to perform abortions in CA and it is easy for any pregnant woman to get approved for a late-term abortion.
And the process of late-term abortion is to remove the fetus in pieces.
And seven blue states including Oregon have zero term limits on abortion.
They don't remove in pieces. How could anyone be so blatantly stupid to think that? Have you been there, in the room? If no, stfu. No doctor would do that. Good lord, they induce the pregnancy when needed. Don't you know any women? Don't you pay attention to anything? Did you hear about the couple from FL that found out their much wanted baby wouldn't survive outside the womb? No amniotic fluid and no kidneys. They made the difficult decision to abort. But because of FL laws, doctors were afraid to do an abortion. Afraid! To do their damn job because of DeSantass and people like you. She was forced to carry to term. Do you pro-abortion people pay the hospital bills for mother and baby and subsequent funeral costs? What about the couple from TX that found out 1 of the twins she was carrying had a terrible condition where it would either die in utero and put the other twin and her in jeopardy, or because of the condition both twins would die before birth. Was she to do nothing and carry dead babies and die herself? She traveled to Colorado for a selective abortion. TX doctors wouldn't help her. Do you honestly think this ONE twin was sucked out? If she stayed and both babies died, a D&C wouldn't have been done. Abbott and people like you. Would you pay for her funeral? What about the woman who had a miscarriage and almost died because doctors in TX wouldn't preform a simple D&C? Are you pro-abortion people paying for any of this? Of course you're not. Ectopic pregnancies are far more common than you think and need medical intervention. Under your draconian laws medical intervention isn't allowed. Medical intervention. Isn't allowed. Let that sink in. Medical intervention. Not allowed. Governors and some people would rather you die. But out their asses call themselves prolife. No. Anything but.
All YOU want is to spew your schitt and feel good about yourselves because you're forcing women (and some husbands) to DO AS YOU SAY. You all are a sickening bunch of pro-abortion people that need to STOP calling yourselves Pro-life because you're anything but. You're a bunch of fascists pigs that are only happy when people do as you say when you say. Sorry I won't jump when you say.
GFY.
Notice the stupid twat known as "Frank Lee Feckless Troll" had absolutely NO rebuttal. There is good reason for that. Bloody loser ole FL is. What a waste of space, air and good food.
Also...
From state guide abortion finder/ California
"Is abortion legal in California? Yes.
Yes. Abortion is legal in California. However, abortion is restricted in California and other states. Right now, abortion is legal in California until "viability," which is the stage of pregnancy when a fetus has developed enough that it is able to survive outside the uterus with medical help. It usually happens around 24 to 26 weeks of pregnancy. To figure out how far along you are in pregnancy, count from the first day of your last period.
Offered until “viability” — usually sometime between 24 to 26 weeks
If you're in California and need an abortion
If your pregnancy is at or past the stage of "viability," you'll need to travel out of California to get an abortion unless you qualify for an exception. Exceptions are very limited and include:
To save the pregnant person's life
To preserve the pregnant person's general health (can include mental health).
Viability is the stage of pregnancy when a fetus has developed enough that it is able to survive outside the uterus with medical help. It usually happens around 24 to 26 weeks of pregnancy, but it depends on how the fetus is developing and can be different for every pregnancy. A health care provider can determine whether a pregnancy has reached viability.
It’s legal for you to leave California and get an abortion out of state.
Keep in mind that some states require a waiting period. This means you may have to schedule one appointment for a counseling session, then wait a required amount of time before having your abortion appointment.
If you’re younger than age 18, consider that many states require you to get permission from a parent or guardian to get an abortion. If you plan to travel to a state that requires the involvement of a parent or guardian and you need to avoid that, you could see if you're eligible to get a judicial bypass. For more information about getting a judicial bypass, contact the If/When/How Judicial Bypass (JB) Helpline. To contact the JB Helpline, call 844-868-2812 or submit a request online.
To save the pregnant person's life To preserve the pregnant person's general health (can include mental health).
Come on man
Why do you hate women? LOL. I can guess.