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founding
Oct 23, 2023·edited Oct 23, 2023

Bottom line: Motivated by the fiendish savagery of Hamas, a brutal terrorist operation [David S. is absolutely correct!], we are being drawn into Bibi Netanyahu's mission to exterminate Palestine and Palestinians. We must question if we are choosing to be complicit in genocide and war crimes against humanity. Remember, half of Israel was demonstrating against Netanyahu's attempt to usurp Israel's Supreme Court to serve only for his security to govern against any democratic rule. Half of Israel--some say 70%--are aware of what Netanyahu's is up to, and want him OUT. Thoughtful Jews and those whove studied the history involving Palestine since the 1940's are appalled by the inhumanity continually shown to Palestinians.

Your reporting on the internecine mess we seem to be signing up for and to pay for is brilliiant and deserves to be widely read. Maybe the costs of what Iraq and Afghanistan forays have contributed to the USA debt [I've never see that reported anywhere] that Republicans are addicted to screaming about will prick the interest of other news vehicles.

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Oct 23, 2023·edited Oct 23, 2023

What SHOULD happen is an American agreement with Israel about what it will NOT do, such as occupy Gaza permanently. The USA should NOT agree to that.

There are many who think Netanyahu and some of his military have been hungering for Gaza for a long time. If Israel is planning to annex Gaza for any reason, there will be an endless war. And the US should not be part of it.

Netanyahu has helped create this situation. Let the Israeli citizens vote him out of office so that real peace can be arranged.

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It saddens me greatly that funding for Israel and the Ukraine has been coupled. On one hand, a fledgling democracy defending itself against an entirely unprovoked attack; on the other an aggressor responding to a horrific act by those it represses. A false equivalency if ever there was one.

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Two good conditions before there is any commitment of increased U.S. aid: new Israeli elections, and a plan for removal of Jewish settlements from the West Bank with land under the authority of a Palestinian authority with some integrity.

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Mostly good reporting, Judd, but those are not just “Hamas militants.” Those are Hamas terrorists and should be referred to as such.

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Disgusting. It's like giving Trump (Netenyahu) carte Blanche to murder.

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Excellent synthesis, Judd. Thank you. What I can't get past is why the IDF was caught off guard. That seems too convenient to the story. And second, it's this kind of jingoism and patriotism and "we must exterminate the OTHER bad guy" bullshit that occludes questions like mine (why was the world's most expensive border so easily penetrated?) and allows people to become conspiracy theorists.

If we're going to plunge further into the abyss of debt, then should have transparency. We won't get it however, so we will end up fundamentally destroying our economy and the balance of power globally will inevitably shift even more than it did under the Trump-Putin alliance.

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If only the only cost for these decisions was paid for in dollars and not in lives.

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Biden should be calling for a ceasefire. But that's probably never going to happen.

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We all know what comes next. A whole lot of killing. But what then? What comes after?

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Thank you for this concise summation of the consequences of Bush's disingenuous and disastrous "hardliner" decisions. Bush and administration figures like Ari Fleischer should be apologizing right now, not pontificating.

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Judd I am such a great fan of yours, and I agree there should be transparency and accountability for federal dollars spent - here and always. However, I believe some other points need to be made: Israel was not ‘merely’ attacked, civilians massacred, babies beheaded, women raped and 200 civilians - including children - taken hostage. Okay, one of the worst terrorist attacks in history. But it’s been under CONTINUOUS attack. The missiles didn’t end on October 7th. They’ve been continuously raining down on CIVILIAN targets unrelentingly AND in fact are now being launched from a second border - from Hezbollah. They should just stop defending themselves and let themselves be attacked? Also: those who call for a ceasefire are not taking into account the fact that 198 hostages are still being held. Doesn’t Israel need to free them? Put yourself in the actual position of a civilian whose children have been abducted - and there are many - shouldn’t they be freed? Do you know that Israel is trying to lessen civilian casualties while Hamas is seeking to increase them - even of Palestinians by hiding their missiles and bases among them? I would love a ceasefire. How about Hamas agrees to release all the hostages and agrees to stop attacking Israel now and in the future - agrees to destroy its own weapons in exchange for a ceasefire. Do you know that Hamas takes in one billion dollars a year from aid and hasn’t given any of it to the Palestinians it rules with an iron fist? That it doesn’t allow elections? That the Hamas leaders live in palaces in Qatar while the Palestinians live in poverty?This ain’t about money - this is a true humanitarian crisis, both for the Israelis that are under continuous attack and the Palestinians used as human shields by these religious terrorists who have caused this crisis.

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Good notes. Of course, since the bloody coup by Hamas in Gaza, it’s no longer the Palestinian Ministry of Health, it’s the Gaza Ministry of Health which is run by Hamas — as all the Gaza ministries are. So they release propaganda figures and no civilian/terrorist breakdown because of course not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry

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We. Learned. Nothing.

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I see the proposed aid to Israel as a carrot that Biden can dangle in front of Netanyahu. Other than threatening to reduce aid or cut it off altogether, what else can Biden do that might give him leverage with Bibi?

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The original dream of the United Nations was that it would become an international authority that could oversee situations such as this to be sure that the nations involved would maintain certain standards of behavior and be required to respect and value the humanity of the innocent civilians of the other side. Of course the nations of the world have never been willing to grant the UN sufficient resources and power to carry out that dream.

The leaders of Israel and Palestine seem determined to destroy each other (whatever their stated goals). If we continue to support their efforts without making any demands in how they treat each other they will both continue their efforts aimed at mutual destruction. I fear that such will be the case, since those on both sides of the conflict claim a religious mandate to violate the major tenets of their religion and betray their faith in order to "win" this conflict, and here in the United States, any politician who attempts to hold either side accountable for their crimes steps into a minefield which will likely blow apart their political lives. The only "safe" option is fund both sides, depending on who your American constituency favors which will keep the conflict going.

I fear this escalated conflict may last as long as Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq, and produce similar results, but I suspect humanity is not yet ready to learn the lessons those conflicts might teach us.

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