A sad day for the PGA, an organization I formerly admired for the standards they promoted (fair play, community service, and the values associated with the game). Now they are simply another money-grubbing business willing to overlook Saudi human rights abuses. Sad day for all who love golf.
A sad day for the PGA, an organization I formerly admired for the standards they promoted (fair play, community service, and the values associated with the game). Now they are simply another money-grubbing business willing to overlook Saudi human rights abuses. Sad day for all who love golf.
Disgusting. The Saudis have jailed, tortured, and beheaded citizens on the flimsiest of excuses. They put brilliant Saudi professor Hatoon al-Fassi in prison -- and she's still under house arrest -- for advocating women's driving and voting. They jailed Raif Badawi for 10 years and gave him 1,000 lashes for writing an Internet post that called for more freedom for Saudi citizens. Last year, on just one day, the Saudi executed 81 people, some on the murkiest of charges, with Human Rights Watch screaming bloody murder. Between 2010 and 2021, they executed 490 foreigners on charges of being foreign agents or accusations even stupider than that--39% of all the executions carried out in the country. Non-Muslims still can't visit Mecca, and women, Saudi or foreigner, face a situation where the slightest infraction can get a person killed. Saudi Arabia refuses to remove punitive limb amputations for infractions including petty theft, though they are become rare. Torture in police custody--and you can be arrested while there have been NO charges filed against you--is common. THANKS A LOT, GOLF. Now one of the worst human rights violator states on the planet owns a whole sport because THEY GAVE YOU MONEY???? ARE YOU KIDDING?????
Yeah. Turn off the telly. Just turn it off when they're on. Don't watch. OR, show up with placards with images of Raif Badawi being publicly flogged, or of the bespeckled Hassan al-Rabea, who was arrested for protesting for women's rights. Human Rights Watch describes what happened to him: "Al-Rabea was among the people who was tortured beyond his capacity to endure, especially when the interrogator learned that he suffers from back pain and so he started to get creative with his torture, targeting already painful locations to the extent that he was not able to go to the bathroom without us helping him get there.тАЭ But, of course, we wouldn't to curb our mere pleasures because the owners of golf tortured people to death--would we? I would! I will never watch golf again, and the professional golf community has shamed itself beyond rehabilitation. I'm done. The people who murdered Jamal Kashhoghi and tortured a Yemeni fruit vendor to death for missing morning prayers will not get any support from me -- and neither will any golfer now or in the future unless they get out of this deal. I grew up 5 miles from the Augusta National and my father was a practice partner for Sam Sneed, Ben Hogan, and Julius Boros. I knew them all, and they would never stand for this )(*&^.
I think what Kaepernick did was really warranted, so we don't agree. But I also think that the MOST dangerous thing is our disagreeing but that a culture -- like the Nazis -- goes into lockstep, everybody who still disagrees cowers and disagrees, and "agreement" becomes first solid, then set in stone. I don't care if that's on the Left (the Soviets and Chinese and Shining Path) or the Right (the Falangists, Brown Shirts, and Nazis). Terror lies at the poles, and with unlimited power in confined space. So, you stop watching football? We disagree? I'm with you: what saves us is the ability to make a principled stand IN WHICH PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO SAFETY WHEN THEY DISAGREE WITH US. Chapeau off to you, sir.
Wait mister. I think we do agree. I stopped watching the NFL because of Kap, most assuredly. Because I agreed with his principled stand and no longer supported football!
Oh!!! GOOD!!!! P.S. I'm a woman. [s] Another thing occurs to me. I think taking a principled stand -- a FLEXIBLE principled stand, a principle subject to change upon greater enlightenment and better information, is a splendid thing. However, a principled stand is not dogma, which is not subject to reason, has no flexibility, and generally enforces itself with the point of a gun or the abuse of somebody's rights. Just a wee, possibly important point! ... Oh, and I stopped watching video when I saw the surveillance video of that prayer punching the living daylights out of his girlfriend in an elevator. He should have been out of the game on the first offense of that kind, but he wasn't. That was it for me.
I hate those athlete jock damn guys who beat women, get away with it and continue on their way because they represent big paydays to teams, owners, investors, whatever.
I am a former Marine and flexibility in any doctrine assumed. So once again, agreed. Dogma can be dangerous, kind of like confirmation bias, if you take my point.
PS: I apologize for mis-identifying your gender. No offense intended, quite the contrary in fact!
A sad day for the PGA, an organization I formerly admired for the standards they promoted (fair play, community service, and the values associated with the game). Now they are simply another money-grubbing business willing to overlook Saudi human rights abuses. Sad day for all who love golf.
Disgusting. The Saudis have jailed, tortured, and beheaded citizens on the flimsiest of excuses. They put brilliant Saudi professor Hatoon al-Fassi in prison -- and she's still under house arrest -- for advocating women's driving and voting. They jailed Raif Badawi for 10 years and gave him 1,000 lashes for writing an Internet post that called for more freedom for Saudi citizens. Last year, on just one day, the Saudi executed 81 people, some on the murkiest of charges, with Human Rights Watch screaming bloody murder. Between 2010 and 2021, they executed 490 foreigners on charges of being foreign agents or accusations even stupider than that--39% of all the executions carried out in the country. Non-Muslims still can't visit Mecca, and women, Saudi or foreigner, face a situation where the slightest infraction can get a person killed. Saudi Arabia refuses to remove punitive limb amputations for infractions including petty theft, though they are become rare. Torture in police custody--and you can be arrested while there have been NO charges filed against you--is common. THANKS A LOT, GOLF. Now one of the worst human rights violator states on the planet owns a whole sport because THEY GAVE YOU MONEY???? ARE YOU KIDDING?????
And they killed Jamal Khashoggi in 2018, and in the years that've passed, nothing has been done about it. Money and oil are all that matters I guess.
It's as if money, or rather enough of it, will cure all ills.
Tell you what. I am so glad to be in the company of folks who don't think like that!!!
ItтАЩs always about the money.
Give up golf in protest? Well, there's always pickleball at the club.
Yeah. Turn off the telly. Just turn it off when they're on. Don't watch. OR, show up with placards with images of Raif Badawi being publicly flogged, or of the bespeckled Hassan al-Rabea, who was arrested for protesting for women's rights. Human Rights Watch describes what happened to him: "Al-Rabea was among the people who was tortured beyond his capacity to endure, especially when the interrogator learned that he suffers from back pain and so he started to get creative with his torture, targeting already painful locations to the extent that he was not able to go to the bathroom without us helping him get there.тАЭ But, of course, we wouldn't to curb our mere pleasures because the owners of golf tortured people to death--would we? I would! I will never watch golf again, and the professional golf community has shamed itself beyond rehabilitation. I'm done. The people who murdered Jamal Kashhoghi and tortured a Yemeni fruit vendor to death for missing morning prayers will not get any support from me -- and neither will any golfer now or in the future unless they get out of this deal. I grew up 5 miles from the Augusta National and my father was a practice partner for Sam Sneed, Ben Hogan, and Julius Boros. I knew them all, and they would never stand for this )(*&^.
I stopped watching football when Kap started protesting and haven't gone back since.
Whether you agree with that stand or not, a principled stand is a principled stand and I admire your's for precisely that reason. I also agree.
I think what Kaepernick did was really warranted, so we don't agree. But I also think that the MOST dangerous thing is our disagreeing but that a culture -- like the Nazis -- goes into lockstep, everybody who still disagrees cowers and disagrees, and "agreement" becomes first solid, then set in stone. I don't care if that's on the Left (the Soviets and Chinese and Shining Path) or the Right (the Falangists, Brown Shirts, and Nazis). Terror lies at the poles, and with unlimited power in confined space. So, you stop watching football? We disagree? I'm with you: what saves us is the ability to make a principled stand IN WHICH PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO SAFETY WHEN THEY DISAGREE WITH US. Chapeau off to you, sir.
Wait mister. I think we do agree. I stopped watching the NFL because of Kap, most assuredly. Because I agreed with his principled stand and no longer supported football!
Oh!!! GOOD!!!! P.S. I'm a woman. [s] Another thing occurs to me. I think taking a principled stand -- a FLEXIBLE principled stand, a principle subject to change upon greater enlightenment and better information, is a splendid thing. However, a principled stand is not dogma, which is not subject to reason, has no flexibility, and generally enforces itself with the point of a gun or the abuse of somebody's rights. Just a wee, possibly important point! ... Oh, and I stopped watching video when I saw the surveillance video of that prayer punching the living daylights out of his girlfriend in an elevator. He should have been out of the game on the first offense of that kind, but he wasn't. That was it for me.
Agreed!
I hate those athlete jock damn guys who beat women, get away with it and continue on their way because they represent big paydays to teams, owners, investors, whatever.
I am a former Marine and flexibility in any doctrine assumed. So once again, agreed. Dogma can be dangerous, kind of like confirmation bias, if you take my point.
PS: I apologize for mis-identifying your gender. No offense intended, quite the contrary in fact!