I’m glad some of them had signs, red hats and Trump bibles…At least I know who they are…..it is the ones that didn’t….its not about policy differences this time.
I’m glad some of them had signs, red hats and Trump bibles…At least I know who they are…..it is the ones that didn’t….its not about policy differences this time.
I think for some people it was, but a misguided understanding of them. My neighbors just don't want their groceries and everything else to cost as much, and the current president gets the blame. I don't think everyone who voted for Trump is going to be happy with the results of their choice.
The people who voted for Trump because prices are too high are going to be sorely disappointed when tariffs make everything more expensive, and ICE starts rounding up the people who harvest their food.
Edit: And another thing...if you're choosing a candidate because that candidate says he's going to make your groceries cheaper BUT ALSO was responsible for taking away abortion rights and constantly scapegoats queer people and immigrants, your priorities are severely misplaced.
When was the last time Americans elected a president to help their neighbors?
One of the talking points for his fans was he didn’t do all the things he threatened when he was in office. They don’t believe it will happen now. Yes, I think they will be in a hard spot. Will they blame him?
Well, it looks like there is also a Republican Senate, so much easier to get what he wants, even though he claimed/lied, again, about not knowing what Project 2025 said. Vance does, for sure. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Edgar, another instance of people not understanding civic or American government. Those danged tariffs are paid in America by Americans .. plain and simple.
I wonder though if we as a party didn’t really understand or try to understand those voters. It’s fine to have all of these talking points on how great the economy is and how high the stock market is, but when you’re not in the stock market and you can’t make ends meet, that’s real. I wonder if the poor and rural voters expressed their anger by using the only tool available to them, by voting out the current administration. Dems didn’t pay enough attention to that dynamic. FWIW.
I think there’s truth to this. I think a lot of poor and working class people are steeped in the same right wing propaganda as more prosperous republican voters, though, so you could argue that it’s an uphill battle. But you’re right - I don’t see evidence that big attempts were made to connect with working class and poor people.
I believe that's true. For every voter who couldn't afford housing, food, healthcare, dental care, insurance....it was a slap in the face when they're told "the economy is great"!
That's how it felt to me, but I knew VP Harris/Gov Walz would support economic improvements that benefited not only the middle class, but those in poverty as well.
People fail to see that corporate greed is what's robbing our daily lives. Many things that are blamed on any president are actually not under the control of any president ... purely misplaced blame. Look how many companies have gone bankrupt .. Why? .. the stock market keeps demanding a better bottom line .. companies can try to increase profits .. when that doesn't work the company lays off employees and continues to lay them off in order to maintain the bottom line .. until the day they can't please the stock market and they are forced to go belly up.
I believe you put your finger on it. It’s mostly the old “It’s the economy stupid.” It was a big danger sign when
1. People remembered his administration favorably. Much more than when he was in office. (This is typical of most presidents but most presidents didn’t act like him.)
2. That was mostly because of how they remembered prices & money in their pocket.
3. When he insults people they always believe they are ‘the good ones’ and will be unscathed. That we’ve seen a lot in different ways over the years. He took it to new heights.
The ironic thing is that a lot of that money was provided by stimulus checks authored by Democratic members of Congress to counter the economic ravages of COVID!
Exactly. Same for jobs coming to their town under Biden. But red machine took credit.
By destroying the credibility of anyone (especially the media) the negative things are not believed. This was intentional. He admitted it to Leslie Stahl.
— President Trump told Lesley Stahl he bashes press ‘to demean you and discredit you so ... no one will believe’ negative stories about him—
Yes, Cohn. But he found he didn’t need another one because with power he had enough willing to do his bidding.
No, I never watched it. I know enough about him and the way he operates.
The fact that people confuse a “reality” TV show with reality says a lot. I consider it a bigger p/r effort in the same vein as the tabloids where he learned to manipulate news.
One reason we don’t understand how his followers fall for all this is we don’t consumer their “alternative news.” For instance the thing about Harris supporting trans surgeries for inmates was the law implemented under Trump. So she said she would uphold the law. Typical answer for a non-trump prosecutor.
I meant the movie, "The Apprentice", that just came out. I learned some new things -- and was chilled far deeper than I had been before. Yes, seeing millions of Americans confuse "reality TV" with reality is frightening. I watched them at the rallies, havin' a good ole time as their entertainer pranced on the stage, sexually abusing a flag, doing oral sex with a microphone. (HOW did these people bring themselves to vote for this piece of trash?! I just don't get it.
I think they meant the movie not the tv show. I saw “The Apprentice” a couple of days ago. It started out fairly positive but gradually portrayed his devolution. The theater was nearly empty. Trumpeters wouldn’t have believed it anyway. His rape of his first wife was not omitted.
I found this true in my red neighborhood too. High grocery prices and “Trump was better for the economy” were sited as reasons. And women didn’t believe the stories about women not being able to receive health care.
Every Trumpie seems to be able to point to some policy that was the reason they voted for Trump. The truth they don't say is that they voted the way they did because they were not about to allow a black woman to tell them what do so.
Corporate media has a lot to do with people's lack of understanding about the economy, constant reiteration of misconceptions around why the economy is rough for a lot of people coupled with zero analysis of how the economy works. Disgusted. Disgusting.
Also, we are used to engaging with people who read and pay attention to what is going on, but not everyone is like that. When I read a comment on NextDoor from someone who said she was going on "instinct" in leaning toward Trump, I just wanted to throw up my hands in despair. There were many comments on the thread about what kind of person Trump is, important to be sure! But hardly anyone mentioned policies.
I saw a focus group of undecideds. At the end a woman said she still had to do her own research in Kamila. The Facilitator asked what concerns she would have to research. Her answer: “That she slept her way to the top.” I was torn between shouting at the tv and bursting into tears.
We are very well positioned for the oligarchy that republicans have been dreaming of - currently there are only 2 or 3 of every major business types, thus the price gouging. Soon there will be ONE of every major business. With trump’s appointed oligarchs running each one.
I’m glad some of them had signs, red hats and Trump bibles…At least I know who they are…..it is the ones that didn’t….its not about policy differences this time.
It never was about policy differences.
I think for some people it was, but a misguided understanding of them. My neighbors just don't want their groceries and everything else to cost as much, and the current president gets the blame. I don't think everyone who voted for Trump is going to be happy with the results of their choice.
The people who voted for Trump because prices are too high are going to be sorely disappointed when tariffs make everything more expensive, and ICE starts rounding up the people who harvest their food.
Edit: And another thing...if you're choosing a candidate because that candidate says he's going to make your groceries cheaper BUT ALSO was responsible for taking away abortion rights and constantly scapegoats queer people and immigrants, your priorities are severely misplaced.
To that I’ll add 2 thoughts.
When was the last time Americans elected a president to help their neighbors?
One of the talking points for his fans was he didn’t do all the things he threatened when he was in office. They don’t believe it will happen now. Yes, I think they will be in a hard spot. Will they blame him?
Well, it looks like there is also a Republican Senate, so much easier to get what he wants, even though he claimed/lied, again, about not knowing what Project 2025 said. Vance does, for sure. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Never.
Edgar, another instance of people not understanding civic or American government. Those danged tariffs are paid in America by Americans .. plain and simple.
So true. Dad always told me it isn’t what a person says. “Watch what they do!”
I wonder though if we as a party didn’t really understand or try to understand those voters. It’s fine to have all of these talking points on how great the economy is and how high the stock market is, but when you’re not in the stock market and you can’t make ends meet, that’s real. I wonder if the poor and rural voters expressed their anger by using the only tool available to them, by voting out the current administration. Dems didn’t pay enough attention to that dynamic. FWIW.
I think there’s truth to this. I think a lot of poor and working class people are steeped in the same right wing propaganda as more prosperous republican voters, though, so you could argue that it’s an uphill battle. But you’re right - I don’t see evidence that big attempts were made to connect with working class and poor people.
I believe that's true. For every voter who couldn't afford housing, food, healthcare, dental care, insurance....it was a slap in the face when they're told "the economy is great"!
That's how it felt to me, but I knew VP Harris/Gov Walz would support economic improvements that benefited not only the middle class, but those in poverty as well.
People fail to see that corporate greed is what's robbing our daily lives. Many things that are blamed on any president are actually not under the control of any president ... purely misplaced blame. Look how many companies have gone bankrupt .. Why? .. the stock market keeps demanding a better bottom line .. companies can try to increase profits .. when that doesn't work the company lays off employees and continues to lay them off in order to maintain the bottom line .. until the day they can't please the stock market and they are forced to go belly up.
This.
I believe you put your finger on it. It’s mostly the old “It’s the economy stupid.” It was a big danger sign when
1. People remembered his administration favorably. Much more than when he was in office. (This is typical of most presidents but most presidents didn’t act like him.)
2. That was mostly because of how they remembered prices & money in their pocket.
3. When he insults people they always believe they are ‘the good ones’ and will be unscathed. That we’ve seen a lot in different ways over the years. He took it to new heights.
The ironic thing is that a lot of that money was provided by stimulus checks authored by Democratic members of Congress to counter the economic ravages of COVID!
Exactly. Same for jobs coming to their town under Biden. But red machine took credit.
By destroying the credibility of anyone (especially the media) the negative things are not believed. This was intentional. He admitted it to Leslie Stahl.
— President Trump told Lesley Stahl he bashes press ‘to demean you and discredit you so ... no one will believe’ negative stories about him—
2018 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/trump-told-lesley-stahl-he-bashes-press-to-discredit-negative-stories.html
He learned well from his Master, Roy Cohn: 1. Attack
2. Deny everything 3. Win -- at all costs. (Have you seen "The Apprentice"? It's worth watching.)
Yes, Cohn. But he found he didn’t need another one because with power he had enough willing to do his bidding.
No, I never watched it. I know enough about him and the way he operates.
The fact that people confuse a “reality” TV show with reality says a lot. I consider it a bigger p/r effort in the same vein as the tabloids where he learned to manipulate news.
One reason we don’t understand how his followers fall for all this is we don’t consumer their “alternative news.” For instance the thing about Harris supporting trans surgeries for inmates was the law implemented under Trump. So she said she would uphold the law. Typical answer for a non-trump prosecutor.
I meant the movie, "The Apprentice", that just came out. I learned some new things -- and was chilled far deeper than I had been before. Yes, seeing millions of Americans confuse "reality TV" with reality is frightening. I watched them at the rallies, havin' a good ole time as their entertainer pranced on the stage, sexually abusing a flag, doing oral sex with a microphone. (HOW did these people bring themselves to vote for this piece of trash?! I just don't get it.
I think they meant the movie not the tv show. I saw “The Apprentice” a couple of days ago. It started out fairly positive but gradually portrayed his devolution. The theater was nearly empty. Trumpeters wouldn’t have believed it anyway. His rape of his first wife was not omitted.
They better be prepared to pay even more when, not if, the Albertson & Kroger merger goes through.
Yes, they are in for a BIG surprise!
I found this true in my red neighborhood too. High grocery prices and “Trump was better for the economy” were sited as reasons. And women didn’t believe the stories about women not being able to receive health care.
Every Trumpie seems to be able to point to some policy that was the reason they voted for Trump. The truth they don't say is that they voted the way they did because they were not about to allow a black woman to tell them what do so.
Bingo!
Or ANY woman really.
The fact is in racist sexist America it was about putting that black bitch in her place. Sad but true.
EXACTLY.
Corporate media has a lot to do with people's lack of understanding about the economy, constant reiteration of misconceptions around why the economy is rough for a lot of people coupled with zero analysis of how the economy works. Disgusted. Disgusting.
Also, we are used to engaging with people who read and pay attention to what is going on, but not everyone is like that. When I read a comment on NextDoor from someone who said she was going on "instinct" in leaning toward Trump, I just wanted to throw up my hands in despair. There were many comments on the thread about what kind of person Trump is, important to be sure! But hardly anyone mentioned policies.
I saw a focus group of undecideds. At the end a woman said she still had to do her own research in Kamila. The Facilitator asked what concerns she would have to research. Her answer: “That she slept her way to the top.” I was torn between shouting at the tv and bursting into tears.
We are very well positioned for the oligarchy that republicans have been dreaming of - currently there are only 2 or 3 of every major business types, thus the price gouging. Soon there will be ONE of every major business. With trump’s appointed oligarchs running each one.
So true. Noam Chomsky has been ringing the alarm bells for years.
Very true. Main stream media never held Trumps feet to the fire but jumped on any tiny slip from the Democrats.
I like the red hats. Makes 'em easier to spot. That, the mouth breathing, and drooling.
Don't forget the lack of grammar, spelling or cogent discourse.
Yes....hee,hee!